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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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Jean Steinberg welcome back to the power

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cast this week we've got a really

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fascinating interesting direction for

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the show unlike a lot of other shows

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where they just interview the standard

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guests to write books or give lectures

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occasionally we find a worthy person and

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there are a lot of them in our forums at

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forum dr. Peric ascom very knowledgeable

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people participate there and

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occasionally we find one or two to bring

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on a show like Godsmack i comes on

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occasionally and we met him through the

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forums and he's always been a great

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addition we've had other for our members

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and we'll tell you about this one a

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little bit later in any case so I know

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that our session with David Marlon

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triangular UFOs has sparked all sorts of

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discussions unfortunately not all those

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discussions have been necessarily just

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back and forth about what he said some

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people kind of got out of shape over it

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but it's interesting how many different

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directions that discussion is taken

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Chris yeah well someone like David

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Marlowe who is one of our kind of unsung

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hero researchers digging away in the

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trenches you know has stated some some

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absolutes that people you know we're

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taking exception to and and that's

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understandable I think in this realm

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nothing is absolute there's no

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one-size-fits-all answer for any of

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these mysteries and and you really have

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to be careful how you couch your

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particular conclusions because there's

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always gonna be probably more people

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that will take exception to that

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conclusion than there are people that

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will you know support your particular

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point of view so you know that's what

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makes this particular pair Castform so

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healthy and vigor ating and

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intellectually stimulating I really I've

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been in

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join the the back-and-forth on on his

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appearance on on all our guests

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appearance I think generally we have we

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have some very insightful posters and

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today we have one of our most insightful

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posters one of my favorite foreign

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participants is going to be with us

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today and and we'll ask him about how he

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responded to David Marlowe's appearance

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and other guests that we've had

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including Greg Bishop that one thing of

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course about triangular UFOs is that

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unlike lights in the sky we're talking

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about objects in the sky with a

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distinctive shape and that leads one to

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think of something that it's real it's

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solid it's an actual aircraft that's the

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one thing the second thing is that

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concerns over whether maybe some level

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of those reports may be beginning in the

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80s could have represented test aircraft

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of some sort as separated from a lot of

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other cases which are obviously not ours

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unless we were flying things around in

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the early 20th century or something or

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even before that's one thing that is

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interesting Chris what's your take about

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the possibility that we have some

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ringers there may be test aircraft I

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think that there's a very strong

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possibility that you know the defense

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industrial complex has devised the

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lighter-than-air platforms that could be

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quite substantial in terms of their size

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which are stealth craft basically are

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you know obviously going to be darting

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off at impossible speeds making right

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angle turns the types of maneuvers that

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some sightings of trying what appear to

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be triangular craft have been reported

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making so I think even though there is

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that that real strong possibility that

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we do have lighter-than-air stealth

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platforms I don't think that they come

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close to explaining away all the events

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that have been reported including some

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of the belgium sightings the phoenix

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lights could possibly have been

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something like that although the size

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would would kind of dismayed me from

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thinking that we have anything that's a

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in size I mean if we do it'd be really

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tough to even test something like that

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let alone you know whip it out and fly

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it over you know the two largest cities

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in Arizona fifth largest city in North

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America so you know it's that's why his

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book is so good because he goes into a

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lot of nuances about how these crafts

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are described the Hudson Valley

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sightings in the 80s I think is a real

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good example of possibly multiple types

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of craft with that triangular

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configuration that was spotted by by men

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and by many hundreds if not thousands of

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witnesses of course we have to remember

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that we exclude in talking about Hudson

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Valley sightings one of the authors of

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night siege for obvious reasons but

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since there were two worthy authors in

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that book a lot of it has to be taken

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seriously I lived there when this was

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going on and I remember a friend of

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Mines father was driving down the

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Taconic Parkway and saw one of these

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objects and mentioned it to the family

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and of course I would see newspaper

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reports about these craft a number of

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times some college buddies and

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girlfriends and stuff and I went up to

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unto Meijer Park up in Yonkers with a

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commanding view of the Hudson River

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there from the cliffs and because there

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have been sightings reported in the area

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the night before we thought maybe we

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would get lucky and a repeat performance

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somebody even suggested if I remember

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correctly drawing one of those signs

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like in Close Encounters that said stop

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and be friendly but you know we we ended

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up just kind of getting bored and going

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off and doing something else we

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unfortunately I was not like I can't

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count myself among the many witnesses

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that had experiences during that time

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period there but there was something

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flying around there there's no question

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about it there was too many people

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responding and too many law-enforcement

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officials there were some radar radar

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reports the reports that I found most

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compelling were the reports that seemed

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to center around the Indian Point

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nuclear plant which is north of New York

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City right on the Hudson and the third

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author of the nights each book filum

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brog no claim that at one point secure

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personnel saw Gray's inside the

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containment facility and all that and

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you know I'm not really quite sure what

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to make of that now that we know about

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some of his confabulations be tough to

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take that particular account at face

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value but living right there during that

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time period I can assure everyone that

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there was something flying around if not

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multiple things flying around there and

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there's a possibility that it could have

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been some sort of stealth very human

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technology is stealth style technology

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reported any sort of non-ballistic

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motion or or impossible speed so that

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sort of thing if memory serves me

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correct of course I suppose one of the

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things we can consider here is whether

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the military was staging some sort of

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experimentation in their various

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activities in that particular area well

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yeah there's some rationale behind that

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procedures and and eliciting some sort

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of response from security personnel

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around plants like that they could have

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been engaging the reaction of local

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officials and that sort of thing I think

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that sort of activity goes on a lot you

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government is involved in clandestinely

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flying that's exotic technology or a

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black black project craft around

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particular areas maybe it's done to

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gauge the response on the population on

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the security law enforcement personnel

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and that sort of thing and of course use

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that famous term this gives them a level

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of plausible deniability after all there

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are no such things as UFOs never happen

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nothing is going on nothing to worry

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therefore you might as well ignore it

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yeah so let's get on to our special

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guest this week now as we've mentioned

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we've got some positively brilliant

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people who hang out in the forums at

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forum not the

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our cast come positively brilliant and

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perhaps one of the most intelligent and

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prolific posters is a fellow who calls

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himself burnt State

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don't know which state you know New York

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Illinois don't know which state or state

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of confusion no I don't think so

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of course you wonder what other names

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this guy could have picked yeah burnt

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toast maybe but oh no burnt steak I

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suppose we'll find out the whys and

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wherefores as to how he picked that name

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but once again he is extremely

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knowledgeable about all things

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paranormal and you're really gonna want

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to hear from him so coming up without

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further ado we're going to present burnt

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State making his first appearance in the

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show you're on with Gene and Kris you're

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in the para cast first game attack of

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the Rockets and it was a critically

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acclaimed success and now there is the

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coming of the protectors a former

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military intelligence man is contacted

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by a space woman in a dream a dream that

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turns out to be a nightmare because evil

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forces on our distant planet are

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planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more if Rocco is calm

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that's Rocco it's our Ock oids calm so

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here's what happened I was placing an

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order online the site went down it took

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hours before it returned but I'd already

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placed the order with another company if

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your site goes down you could lose

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business and if you have a business or

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personal site you'll want to know it's

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iWeb your site is hosted on one of the

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to a sales rep at AI web.com use the

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of watching your hard-earned assets twin

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Deloitte as government spending is out

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of hand and the Federal Reserve is

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creating in excess of 20 billion a week

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are you tired of stock brokers gambling

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away your hard-earned money is this

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market a setup for a crash greater than

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1987 too many of today's policies

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resemble those that led to the collapse

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of 1929 this is John Hamner and that was

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me in 2007 and we all know what happened

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when the subprime credit bubble burst by

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March 2009 the dollar lost 50% of its

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value the entire US banking system was

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on the verge of collapsing like all

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financial problems of the past is

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history about to repeat itself

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call me John Hamner at 1-866-37

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praise because he's one of our most

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prolific posters at our forums at forum

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dot to the power cast com he engages in

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all sorts of paranormal discussions and

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now he's joining us his name is burnt

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State and that's the name he'll go by

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except that we will occasionally talk to

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him with his real name which is Robert

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Burns state we're so glad to have you on

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the show yes sir the first and most

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obvious question I can ask is why do you

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call yourself burnt

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State well I think on one hand it it

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celebrates a bit of my own kind of

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anti-government stance I guess I would

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say in terms of you know raising things

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to the ground but but really it's not

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about that kind of anarchist perspective

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it's actually and this is kind of gives

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things away it's a bit of a translation

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of my original name and in German and I

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found out through actually a forum

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member online who questioned me about my

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my handle and I had to research it and

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when I researched I found out that I

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come from a long line of arsonists but

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very specific arsonists what we did was

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following the plague we would go to

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parts of the infested cities and we

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would burn everything to the ground so

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we could actually start all over again

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so in that way I kind of like that

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handle as something that's tied to that

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idea of creation and destruction and

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those kind of endless like so that

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burning off the dross that's right in

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the alchemical fashion but you know the

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only time I've ever heard the term burnt

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State was after you know when I was in

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high school back in my psychotropic days

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that after a particularly eventful

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weekend we'd all kind of wander around

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bumping into walls

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the following Monday in a burn stay yes

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indeed I know that and crispy

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so based on that can we assume that you

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have from time to time decided to

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partake of certain substances that we

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will not name specifically I have on

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occasion I tried to leave that part of

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my life behind now I have other

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responsibilities and we assume those

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responsibilities are that's the wife and

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kids and a dog and they all need me they

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all need me they need me to cook for

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them it's the most important part so

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tonight they're flying solo yeah they

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they need they they need you well done

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we're done enough but not burnt

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that's correct my wife tells me that

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right now where I stand the insurance

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money is not enough I'm actually worth

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more alive than dead but I think I've

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got limited time on that that offer now

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obviously you don't spend your time

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writing form post on the power cast

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forms although you spend a lot of time

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doing it so what do you actually do in

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civilian life yeah it's it's a totally

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different scene altogether I am a

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teacher of children and and I consume my

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time really trying to think of ways that

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I that I can engage youth to express

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themselves but their voice out there be

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more independent in an age of a digital

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copycatting and nuke yakking I would

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really like to see kids be able to

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express themselves and in a way that's

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unencumbered from the mediated reality

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that they live in so that's my primary

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goal as an educator so what grades do

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you actually teach I'm all over the map

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in high school but primarily I do upper

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band classes that used to be a contact

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teacher and then I was an English

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teacher now I'm a leadership teacher and

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I kind of try to merge all of those

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different fields together to get kids to

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create product and engage their

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community and engage ideas that matter

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to them and and try to to help them out

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with some of the social ills that they

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face in this increasingly stressful era

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that they live in know you're quite a

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writer so the English part really comes

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across on the forum some of your posts

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are just absolutely dazzling and I'm not

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blowing smoke at you here oh I really

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have learned a lot by reading your posts

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and and you have a way you know for

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people who aren't familiar with the

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parrot caste forum

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the Robert has a way of drilling down on

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subjects and opening up doors that you

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that I normally wouldn't go through and

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and give give me things to really sink

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my teeth into and think about that that

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I normally wouldn't have unless I'd read

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your post that's one of the reasons why

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we got you on the show because of of

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your amazing insight you really do have

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an analytical sense about you that

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allows the subject in question to really

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blossom and I think a lot of people

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really appreciate that as it it shows

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you your likes way out outnumber your

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posts which is I think a good way to

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gauge a person's impact on a forum is to

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look how many likes they've received

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versus how many posts and you've got

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several hundred more than likes than you

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do posts which is a good sign in my book

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now Chris and I and everybody else who's

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interested in the paranormal have all

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gone through this at some point in your

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life as a wee lad what got you

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interested in looking after the

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paranormal rather than playing baseball

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football watching cartoons on TV

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whatever no I think it happens pretty

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pretty early on in a young boy's life

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when you're strolling through the

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library and you're done with the Hardy

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Boys collection and your mind turns to

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Bradbury and and Serling and Asimov and

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before you know it you're away to the

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races and reading about the paranormal

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and I scouted through all the libraries

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in my town to cover every single Loch

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Ness monster Bigfoot UFO yeah possession

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no text that I could fly my brain was

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pretty turned on to altered realities

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early on and and that kind of culminated

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early on in my childhood with a pretty

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interesting UFO sequence that unfolded

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and I think those things really

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consolidated you know early on and

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that's when it happens now I wasn't so

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lucky in my life about having a UFO

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sighting Chris did but can you tell us

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about your sighting give us the details

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it's a pretty interesting one and it's

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it's me on an ice rink in my

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neighborhood we're in the center of the

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block there in a very very large field I

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would say maybe 100-200 squares

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square meters there was a rate that was

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made at night we were out there skating

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myself my buddy and the babies his

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babysitters daughter she was an older

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gal and her I think early teens and we

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would have been maybe 10 or 11 the three

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of us were on the rink playing two on

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one shinny up against each other and

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when it was 200 and he ran off inside

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and it was just the babysitters daughter

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and I and I looked at her she had

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stepped on the puck and couldn't hit it

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anymore I looked at her she was their

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neck was craned up to the sky it was a

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crystal clear night beautiful stars ode

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and they're up in the sky approaching us

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where to classical flying saucers they

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seem to be slightly illuminated they

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looked metal they had a ring of lights

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around them one seemed to be paused a

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little further in the field up in the

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air and the other one was descending

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towards us and when I saw that

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immediately in my brain something

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clicked off and said oh here it is

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I know what's going to be happening

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we're going to get abducted and that

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didn't happen

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and I watched this ship come closer to

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us and then it seemed to descend towards

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that the powerlines that ran along the

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back of the house is that that bordered

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the ice rink and and then that ship

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slowly eased its way through the

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backyards and it paused above another

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friend's house by a tree and above their

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garage roof and it hovered there for a

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bit and then it went up and enjoying the

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other one the two of them went further

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hover up over my favorite corner store

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they stayed there the whole experience

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was maybe about two or three minutes and

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featuring one of our most prolific forum

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posters none other than burnt state and

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he's telling us about his first sighting

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of a UFO did this Robert

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pretty much cement your ongoing interest

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in the paranormal it really did but I

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think what cemented it even more was

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what happened the following spring

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because the following spring we were in

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the backyard where that UFO had had

669
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hovered over my other friend's house and

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we were going into his house it was

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actually his aunt's house there and she

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didn't trust him with keys into those I

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think we were only in grade 4 grade five

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at the time and just we climbed a ladder

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to get into the second floor of his

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house and when we climbed that ladder

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but we looked out across he stopped and

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he look he says holy look at that and he

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was looking over to the garage where

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that UFO it hovered and there I was

681
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:16,000
looking over it and it all you know kind

682
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of flooded back in some ways where there

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that the top part of the tree that was

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near there was burnt in it in a radial

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arc on the portion of the the garage all

686
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the shingles had been burnt and upturned

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and I remember my friends saying my

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uncle is going to be so pissed he had

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just reaching gold that roof and look at

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that what happens now when we had told

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the UFO story to our friends when that

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happened that previous winter everybody

693
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laughed mocked us my parents dismissed

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us it was kind of a done deal but it all

695
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came flooding back inside of that moment

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and really consolidated that something

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in fact really was there and I think

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that trace evidence piece that's the

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part that really walked into my brain

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and kind of logged me on about that

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summer my friend and I got at

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walkie-talkies and we went UFO hunting

703
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through the entire city now this

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particular episode by any chance to

705
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happen to make the newspapers I scoured

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through newspapers all through the next

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week in shock that how could there not

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be anything there printed about this

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00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:16,990
obvious amazing incredible event and was

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entirely dismayed that there was

711
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absolutely nothing there at all and of

712
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course we were young kids you know we

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didn't talk to adults other than our

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parents so there really wasn't anybody

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to to confirm or talk to her call the

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police that you know we were great four

717
00:29:33,060 --> 00:29:31,659
great five kids they're my my mother and

718
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father kind of dismissed the event

719
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altogether that my mother remembered

720
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very well my retelling of it because she

721
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reminded me of it about fifteen years

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later which was another very interesting

723
00:29:45,239 --> 00:29:43,149
event connected to that that incident

724
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because when she we were talking about

725
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UFOs casually at dinner table over a

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Christmas meal and my mother piped up

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and says well well Robert you had a UFO

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experience and I'll be honest up to that

729
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point in time that that entire incident

730
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I guess for some reason had been just

731
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switched off or my brain had decided not

732
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to accept it anymore not dwell on it and

733
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soon as she said that the entire

734
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incident from start to finish all came

735
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back to me again and with great

736
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immediacy which was quite startling

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actually so was that an indication after

738
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all that your parents may have really

739
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taken all this quite seriously no I

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thought she'd entirely so remember I

741
00:30:22,379 --> 00:30:20,590
came running in the house at the same

742
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time my father had it he had been at the

743
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corner store and I was berating him you

744
00:30:26,850 --> 00:30:25,450
know how could you not see these ships

745
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they were floating right above you

746
00:30:30,539 --> 00:30:29,019
so yeah it was kind of had it had been

747
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:30,549
dismissed it got dismissed by my peers

748
00:30:34,139 --> 00:30:32,799
and I think dismissed in general and and

749
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I think my own brain just dismissed it

750
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really for a good good period of time

751
00:30:39,659 --> 00:30:37,539
and I find it interesting every so many

752
00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:39,669
decades that something happens that that

753
00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:41,830
brings that case back in University was

754
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reading passport to McGowan yeah and for

755
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whatever reason in my early 40s it was

756
00:30:50,970 --> 00:30:49,240
me thinking about the incident which led

757
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,980
me to the para cast and other kind of

758
00:30:54,859 --> 00:30:52,720
paranormal shows and has kind of

759
00:30:56,999 --> 00:30:54,869
launched this most recent spate of

760
00:30:59,310 --> 00:30:57,009
investigation and curiosity for myself

761
00:31:01,470 --> 00:30:59,320
in the field so certainly you were

762
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:01,480
engaging in a pretty wide search about

763
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:03,850
UFOs but did you bring that out in

764
00:31:09,989 --> 00:31:07,360
public maybe into the classroom that you

765
00:31:13,769 --> 00:31:09,999
had any abiding interest in the subject

766
00:31:16,019 --> 00:31:13,779
it really was a search i again for

767
00:31:17,970 --> 00:31:16,029
whatever reason i was talking about the

768
00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:17,980
UFO experience on on rare occasions i

769
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:20,200
would mention it in in one of my classes

770
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:22,090
just as a fun way to kind of close the

771
00:31:25,379 --> 00:31:23,769
course up and i would tell the story and

772
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:25,389
kids would be enthralled and amazed and

773
00:31:27,780 --> 00:31:26,170
and i guess

774
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:27,790
had started thinking about it a little

775
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:30,010
bit more and wanting to delve into it

776
00:31:34,050 --> 00:31:31,840
and I it was the age of the podcast

777
00:31:35,610 --> 00:31:34,060
somebody had given me an iPhone and I

778
00:31:37,860 --> 00:31:35,620
started trolling around looking to see

779
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what I could find and I thankfully

780
00:31:43,290 --> 00:31:41,200
stumbled into your show when you and yet

781
00:31:45,450 --> 00:31:43,300
me we're on a roll right in the early

782
00:31:47,550 --> 00:31:45,460
periods of it and and very shortly after

783
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:47,560
that I became a lurker on the forum and

784
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:49,510
started reading some of the amazing

785
00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:51,490
material that was being posted by people

786
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:53,470
and I think that was the the main

787
00:31:57,210 --> 00:31:55,690
catalyst that has brought me here to

788
00:31:59,010 --> 00:31:57,220
maybe this moment and talking to the two

789
00:32:01,260 --> 00:31:59,020
of you because my interest has been it

790
00:32:02,910 --> 00:32:01,270
reactivated in a way I would I want to

791
00:32:06,030 --> 00:32:02,920
say it's unhealthy but wow it consumes a

792
00:32:08,790 --> 00:32:06,040
lot of my time unpaid time so as a

793
00:32:11,550 --> 00:32:08,800
family man how does your family react to

794
00:32:14,190 --> 00:32:11,560
your preoccupation with these subjects

795
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:14,200
you know my my my daughter mocks me a

796
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:18,130
little bit on it my wife is slightly

797
00:32:21,150 --> 00:32:19,600
annoyed because there is other work I'm

798
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:21,160
supposed to be doing that could be

799
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:22,930
bringing money into the hustle that I

800
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:25,690
keep delaying and so that's that's not a

801
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:27,850
popular piece there so I don't talk a

802
00:32:31,230 --> 00:32:29,170
lot about it and I'll be honest the way

803
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:31,240
I raised both my children was to not to

804
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:33,850
believe in unreal things such as Santa

805
00:32:38,430 --> 00:32:35,890
Claus or the Easter Bunny or any of that

806
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:38,440
stuff and my daughter killed Easter

807
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:41,850
Bunny when she was three years old I

808
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:44,080
tried to explain to her the reason why

809
00:32:46,770 --> 00:32:45,760
her Christmas chocolate went missing was

810
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:46,780
that the Easter Bunny

811
00:32:52,290 --> 00:32:49,570
would take it to recycle it you know and

812
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:52,300
then give it back come be Easter and she

813
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:54,370
turned on me at the age of three and

814
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:57,250
said dad you know and I know there's no

815
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:59,200
such thing as the Easter Bunny here on

816
00:33:02,550 --> 00:33:01,120
this earth and she said it with such

817
00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:02,560
incredible conviction I was like wow

818
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that's funny she is now the right page

819
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of 13 has discovered makeup is managing

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a very interesting and creative life

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herself online counting her creative

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tumblr followers she does a lot of

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Photoshop and art work herself as a

824
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creative character and has a pretty good

825
00:33:30,930 --> 00:33:27,880
mind on her how old is your son my son

826
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:30,940
is 11 and is eager and sweet and still a

827
00:33:35,790 --> 00:33:33,310
huggable teddy bear who loves that Mimi

828
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coaching soccer enjoy it while it lasts

829
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:38,210
I really am I really am you know we have

830
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the sex-talk he always says me dad I

831
00:33:43,810 --> 00:33:41,899
really don't need to know about that

832
00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:43,820
sort of stuff right now I'm like alright

833
00:33:48,430 --> 00:33:45,830
god bless you son let's keep that going

834
00:33:51,129 --> 00:33:48,440
for a while but what about the dog the

835
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dog is a border collie husky that we

836
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picked up at the pound because nobody in

837
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the family was allergic to it both my my

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wife and my son are very allergic to

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animals and this Huskies double coat

840
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doesn't produce allergens and I had them

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both rub their face into it and he has

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become such an amazing addition into our

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environment it's incredible how much

844
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emotion an animal can bring into your

845
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:13,940
environment so he's a real centerpiece

846
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:16,010
for this family of course in the

847
00:34:21,099 --> 00:34:17,929
Steinberg household we have the one and

848
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:21,109
only teddy bear and we got him oh yeah

849
00:34:26,859 --> 00:34:24,079
yeah I've heard all about him before we

850
00:34:28,839 --> 00:34:26,869
get too far away from that initial very

851
00:34:31,450 --> 00:34:28,849
kind of paradigm-shifting experience

852
00:34:35,619 --> 00:34:31,460
that you had when you were a kid the

853
00:34:37,930 --> 00:34:35,629
following spring what prompted you one

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00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:37,940
of our questions here from a new sign up

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at forum dr. podcast.com named sand who

856
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actually signed up Christmas Eve wonders

857
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:45,799
what was your compulsion to climb up

858
00:34:52,089 --> 00:34:49,490
that ladder and look there for you know

859
00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:52,099
actual physical trace evidence and my

860
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:54,020
follow-up question would be did you and

861
00:34:58,599 --> 00:34:56,000
your friend mention this to his father

862
00:35:01,539 --> 00:34:58,609
and make a point of pointing out that

863
00:35:03,789 --> 00:35:01,549
the tree had been impacted in that that

864
00:35:07,390 --> 00:35:03,799
appeared a patterning of heat had

865
00:35:08,319 --> 00:35:07,400
impacted the brand-new shingles you know

866
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:08,329
I think there's something interesting

867
00:35:12,670 --> 00:35:11,089
about youth and in the adult world just

868
00:35:14,799 --> 00:35:12,680
to take up the last question first that

869
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:14,809
we live in two different spaces youth

870
00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:17,410
live in a very creative imaginative

871
00:35:22,030 --> 00:35:19,790
irrational and environment their brain

872
00:35:23,710 --> 00:35:22,040
chemistry is very irrational and so the

873
00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:23,720
idea of the possibilities and potentials

874
00:35:27,579 --> 00:35:25,670
of strange things I think go hand in

875
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,589
hand where you become an adult things

876
00:35:30,849 --> 00:35:28,880
start to get a little bit more mundane

877
00:35:33,010 --> 00:35:30,859
rational and and so those conversations

878
00:35:35,530 --> 00:35:33,020
don't happen he was his aunt and uncle's

879
00:35:38,289 --> 00:35:35,540
place his dad was non-existence his his

880
00:35:40,329 --> 00:35:38,299
mom was mostly unconscious and and

881
00:35:42,910 --> 00:35:40,339
usually drunk or sleeping it off on the

882
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:42,920
couch he was a loner and as a loner he

883
00:35:46,210 --> 00:35:44,569
was able to you know go in and out of

884
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:46,220
his aunt's house and and that time he

885
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:47,839
went in because he didn't have the keys

886
00:35:50,349 --> 00:35:49,130
and so he climbed the ladder and he

887
00:35:50,970 --> 00:35:50,359
liked the idea of breaking into that

888
00:35:52,980 --> 00:35:50,980
house

889
00:35:54,780 --> 00:35:52,990
and and so we would do that on on very

890
00:35:57,390 --> 00:35:54,790
rare occasions and you know and I was

891
00:35:58,890 --> 00:35:57,400
really captivated by that that posters

892
00:36:00,930 --> 00:35:58,900
question because I think there is

893
00:36:02,819 --> 00:36:00,940
something interesting that's going on

894
00:36:04,859 --> 00:36:02,829
obviously with the UFO experience that

895
00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:04,869
is connected to us that wants us to pay

896
00:36:08,609 --> 00:36:07,180
attention therein and and I had asked

897
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:08,619
him to qualify that a little bit more

898
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:10,000
because I almost feel like in some ways

899
00:36:14,579 --> 00:36:12,490
that the UFO piece is almost like a bait

900
00:36:16,290 --> 00:36:14,589
you know that you're being lured into to

901
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:16,300
something and by climbing up that ladder

902
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,270
we did it by chance but if we hadn't we

903
00:36:23,220 --> 00:36:21,040
really wanted to take a notice I think

904
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:23,230
of the shingles or or of the tree is

905
00:36:26,730 --> 00:36:25,089
like little kids you couldn't see up to

906
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:26,740
the top of that roof the only way we

907
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:27,760
could have had that advantage is

908
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:29,290
climbing up the ladder and so is that

909
00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:31,510
just chance or is that you know

910
00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:33,430
something else bringing us there that's

911
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:34,750
where things start to get a little

912
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:37,210
nebulous and and strange I guess with

913
00:36:43,260 --> 00:36:40,240
this discussion more to come with burnt

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presidential UFO calm you're listening

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to the Peres cast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio on the power cast this

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week we're featuring burnt State Robert

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00:41:27,689 --> 00:41:25,449
a very welcome presence on our forums at

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forum dot the power cast calm where he

1028
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:28,299
hangs out

1029
00:41:33,299 --> 00:41:30,910
but other than our forums do you go

1030
00:41:35,549 --> 00:41:33,309
about anywhere expressing your interest

1031
00:41:37,739 --> 00:41:35,559
in these subjects no I keep that pretty

1032
00:41:40,259 --> 00:41:37,749
on the down low I wish I would say I

1033
00:41:41,999 --> 00:41:40,269
once last year and because I'll be

1034
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:42,009
honest I I'm actually pretty skeptical

1035
00:41:45,059 --> 00:41:43,689
individual when it comes to these these

1036
00:41:47,130 --> 00:41:45,069
pieces most of these last six years

1037
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:47,140
investigating paranormal pieces have

1038
00:41:50,429 --> 00:41:48,880
been trying to make sense of the things

1039
00:41:52,439 --> 00:41:50,439
that happen to me at various points in

1040
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:52,449
my life and try to understand are there

1041
00:41:57,689 --> 00:41:54,729
in fact real mundane physiological

1042
00:42:00,089 --> 00:41:57,699
pharmacological explanations for these

1043
00:42:01,890 --> 00:42:00,099
pieces and I feel like some of these

1044
00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:01,900
pieces I've had answers to so I come

1045
00:42:05,309 --> 00:42:03,369
across in the classroom is pretty

1046
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:05,319
skeptical and and I ran an interesting

1047
00:42:10,709 --> 00:42:08,170
poll last year with a bunch of students

1048
00:42:12,209 --> 00:42:10,719
at the end of the semester to session

1049
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:12,219
they're heading into summer and I asked

1050
00:42:16,229 --> 00:42:13,689
them you know which of these paranormal

1051
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:16,239
pieces do you take stock in and I listed

1052
00:42:20,579 --> 00:42:18,249
a collection from UFOs to ghosts to

1053
00:42:24,749 --> 00:42:20,589
psychics Bigfoot you know monsters

1054
00:42:26,849 --> 00:42:24,759
psychic pieces all of it and I was quite

1055
00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:26,859
surprised you know UFOs were way down at

1056
00:42:30,689 --> 00:42:28,329
the list they thought that was not

1057
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,699
really that possible Bigfoot possibly

1058
00:42:34,859 --> 00:42:32,079
but they were all there

1059
00:42:37,169 --> 00:42:34,869
for the psychic and and you know and you

1060
00:42:40,229 --> 00:42:37,179
can see how the impact of the media age

1061
00:42:41,669 --> 00:42:40,239
really does correspond to kids than

1062
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:41,679
believing in the things that are popular

1063
00:42:44,549 --> 00:42:43,119
and presents it and of course you know

1064
00:42:46,229 --> 00:42:44,559
the Long Island psychic and different

1065
00:42:48,299 --> 00:42:46,239
kind of popular psychics that you see on

1066
00:42:50,699 --> 00:42:48,309
TV said it huge impact and some kids

1067
00:42:53,069 --> 00:42:50,709
really got into you know intense debate

1068
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:53,079
with me just how real they thought those

1069
00:42:56,009 --> 00:42:54,910
things were until I kind of pointed out

1070
00:42:58,140 --> 00:42:56,019
you know some of the strategies and

1071
00:43:00,089 --> 00:42:58,150
techniques perhaps that can be used to

1072
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:00,099
trick people into revealing information

1073
00:43:04,249 --> 00:43:01,689
and then convincing them that in fact oh

1074
00:43:07,529 --> 00:43:04,259
no you have mine just in red is the

1075
00:43:09,959 --> 00:43:07,539
reading of the minds shades of the

1076
00:43:12,689 --> 00:43:09,969
amazing Kreskin yes something like that

1077
00:43:14,099 --> 00:43:12,699
it's just not as incredible as Kreskin

1078
00:43:14,699 --> 00:43:14,109
could do it but i think he had some

1079
00:43:17,969 --> 00:43:14,709
pretty good aids

1080
00:43:19,949 --> 00:43:17,979
well how about other experiences you

1081
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:19,959
know subsequent to that original

1082
00:43:24,209 --> 00:43:21,209
experience have you ever had any

1083
00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:24,219
potential haunted side experiences or

1084
00:43:29,969 --> 00:43:27,880
other types of the unusual phenomena

1085
00:43:31,890 --> 00:43:29,979
that you may have been witnessed to or

1086
00:43:33,269 --> 00:43:31,900
privy to I would say that perhaps

1087
00:43:35,189 --> 00:43:33,279
there's maybe two or three other

1088
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:35,199
interesting things like as a as a young

1089
00:43:38,130 --> 00:43:36,729
child I had some pretty intense

1090
00:43:40,979 --> 00:43:38,140
nightmares that included you know

1091
00:43:42,089 --> 00:43:40,989
walking hallucinations things that I

1092
00:43:44,819 --> 00:43:42,099
would call even you know waking

1093
00:43:46,739 --> 00:43:44,829
nightmares where I was having it felt

1094
00:43:48,479 --> 00:43:46,749
like experiences happening to me while I

1095
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:48,489
was you know awake in the grocery store

1096
00:43:52,709 --> 00:43:50,319
with my mother and yet monsters were

1097
00:43:56,089 --> 00:43:52,719
there and in presence I remember seeing

1098
00:43:58,410 --> 00:43:56,099
a Chinese dragon in total neon flames

1099
00:44:00,239 --> 00:43:58,420
dancing at the end of my father's bed

1100
00:44:01,890 --> 00:44:00,249
and I was pointing and staring at it and

1101
00:44:03,989 --> 00:44:01,900
of course he was seeing nothing and I

1102
00:44:05,759 --> 00:44:03,999
was freaking out altogether and I think

1103
00:44:08,549 --> 00:44:05,769
those were perhaps fever induced or

1104
00:44:10,169 --> 00:44:08,559
something else was happening but but

1105
00:44:11,699 --> 00:44:10,179
later on when I was in high school I

1106
00:44:13,439 --> 00:44:11,709
decided for some reason to take up the

1107
00:44:15,179 --> 00:44:13,449
Ouija board I really wanted to get into

1108
00:44:16,769 --> 00:44:15,189
the paranormal piece hadn't encountered

1109
00:44:18,749 --> 00:44:16,779
ghosts or anything like that but I

1110
00:44:21,269 --> 00:44:18,759
thought this is an avenue and that

1111
00:44:24,029 --> 00:44:21,279
produced some very interesting results

1112
00:44:25,650 --> 00:44:24,039
actually and and I have to reflect on

1113
00:44:26,660 --> 00:44:25,660
that really long and hard later on to

1114
00:44:29,459 --> 00:44:26,670
try to understand what was happening

1115
00:44:31,140 --> 00:44:29,469
with that experience there was a group

1116
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:31,150
of us that would get together and we G

1117
00:44:34,289 --> 00:44:32,650
and our contact spirit very kind of

1118
00:44:35,999 --> 00:44:34,299
familiar and typical or contact spirit

1119
00:44:37,799 --> 00:44:36,009
was a seven year old girl named Heather

1120
00:44:39,809 --> 00:44:37,809
she claimed that her father had burnt

1121
00:44:41,339 --> 00:44:39,819
the house down with all the occupants in

1122
00:44:43,739 --> 00:44:41,349
it and could she please some could we

1123
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:43,749
please somehow help her help her to be

1124
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:45,110
released and

1125
00:44:48,490 --> 00:44:46,640
and there was a group of us that we G

1126
00:44:50,110 --> 00:44:48,500
pretty regularly I kept detailed notes

1127
00:44:52,210 --> 00:44:50,120
about all of the contacts what happened

1128
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:52,220
what took place the differing

1129
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,010
experiences in it it culminated in a

1130
00:44:58,930 --> 00:44:57,440
very dramatic moment of course one final

1131
00:45:01,210 --> 00:44:58,940
night where we were in my basement and

1132
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:01,220
and wewe jeet Heather and Heather

1133
00:45:06,340 --> 00:45:03,770
suddenly turned very aggressive and vile

1134
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:06,350
and claimed that it was fact not Heather

1135
00:45:10,060 --> 00:45:08,450
all along it was the father and he was

1136
00:45:11,710 --> 00:45:10,070
going to come to kill all of us one by

1137
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:11,720
one and spelled out all of our names in

1138
00:45:14,980 --> 00:45:13,310
which order the deaths would take place

1139
00:45:17,170 --> 00:45:14,990
and at that final moment the Ouija

1140
00:45:19,450 --> 00:45:17,180
planchette kind of flew off the board

1141
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:19,460
and then a door slammed upstairs and

1142
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:22,850
everybody freaked right out we went

1143
00:45:26,860 --> 00:45:24,530
upstairs and I checked with a hockey

1144
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:26,870
stick and all my friends in tow and we

1145
00:45:30,610 --> 00:45:29,090
checked every single room Ochs in case

1146
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,620
there's a burglar all the doors were

1147
00:45:33,850 --> 00:45:32,480
closed no windows were open there was no

1148
00:45:36,130 --> 00:45:33,860
draft couldn't really figure that out

1149
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:36,140
but that wasn't really the kicker the

1150
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:37,970
kicker was in the middle of our Ouija

1151
00:45:41,530 --> 00:45:40,130
sessions I remember going to pick up my

1152
00:45:43,450 --> 00:45:41,540
girlfriend from the corner store she

1153
00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:43,460
worked out to to do one of our Ouija

1154
00:45:48,250 --> 00:45:46,070
events after a school the one summer and

1155
00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:48,260
as I was walking to pick her up

1156
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:50,030
something glinted on the sidewalk that

1157
00:45:54,010 --> 00:45:52,010
caught my eye and it was a little Bowl

1158
00:45:55,780 --> 00:45:54,020
charm and I picked up the charm and the

1159
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:55,790
charm was like a little foot a little

1160
00:45:59,170 --> 00:45:57,290
gold foot like a mother would wear on

1161
00:46:01,360 --> 00:45:59,180
her on her bracelet and engraved of

1162
00:46:03,970 --> 00:46:01,370
course on that foot was the name Heather

1163
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:03,980
and that you know when I look back on

1164
00:46:07,450 --> 00:46:05,570
that I think a lot about the conjuring

1165
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:07,460
Phillip you know episode and how people

1166
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:09,050
can kind of bring things together

1167
00:46:12,820 --> 00:46:11,330
somehow into reality and and and I

1168
00:46:14,970 --> 00:46:12,830
really do believe that the Ouija board

1169
00:46:17,050 --> 00:46:14,980
is is primarily a co-creation amongst

1170
00:46:18,610 --> 00:46:17,060
people's that people's are unconsciously

1171
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:18,620
doing this together and they're not

1172
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:20,090
aware that they're tipping the table

1173
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:21,650
they're not aware that they're spelling

1174
00:46:26,980 --> 00:46:25,310
things out but that foot was it's came

1175
00:46:29,410 --> 00:46:26,990
from somewhere else that was a really

1176
00:46:30,970 --> 00:46:29,420
oddity a big oddity and then and then

1177
00:46:32,890 --> 00:46:30,980
another interesting moment was when my

1178
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:32,900
father challenged the Ouija and said you

1179
00:46:36,190 --> 00:46:34,370
know I don't believe this vici stuff

1180
00:46:39,220 --> 00:46:36,200
it's all junk you you tell me what's

1181
00:46:41,110 --> 00:46:39,230
your grandmother's birthdate and so

1182
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:41,120
knowing that I had no clue about birth

1183
00:46:44,020 --> 00:46:42,650
dates at all and I still don't and I

1184
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:44,030
asked the Ouija board and it's built out

1185
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:45,650
of birthdate me ceci there you go wrong

1186
00:46:49,210 --> 00:46:47,450
twitch my mother piped up and said wait

1187
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:49,220
a second wait a second that's my

1188
00:46:52,420 --> 00:46:50,510
mother's birthdate that is his

1189
00:46:54,430 --> 00:46:52,430
grandmother's birthday when I continued

1190
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:54,440
we gene there in front of my dad my dad

1191
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:55,730
asked okay well tell me who's there who

1192
00:46:58,930 --> 00:46:57,770
is this and it spelled out the name of a

1193
00:47:00,760 --> 00:46:58,940
co-worker it was a cold

1194
00:47:02,650 --> 00:47:00,770
my father had just introduced me to the

1195
00:47:04,089 --> 00:47:02,660
previous week he hadn't told me anything

1196
00:47:05,380 --> 00:47:04,099
about this co-worker he had just started

1197
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:05,390
a new life at all these beautiful

1198
00:47:10,180 --> 00:47:07,250
aquariums downstairs that any wife and

1199
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:10,190
kids but for whatever reason just a day

1200
00:47:14,380 --> 00:47:12,770
before I'm reaching and I'm and Ouija

1201
00:47:16,540 --> 00:47:14,390
board is telling me it's because my

1202
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:16,550
dad's friend my father tells me he just

1203
00:47:23,290 --> 00:47:19,369
hanged himself yesterday and so that was

1204
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:23,300
another Oh so those two pieces you know

1205
00:47:26,890 --> 00:47:25,250
this idea of kind of knowledge or things

1206
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:26,900
coming out of the ether and somehow

1207
00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:29,359
arriving into our world as concrete you

1208
00:47:33,309 --> 00:47:31,400
know pieces is guess it's a Jungian on

1209
00:47:34,540 --> 00:47:33,319
some levels it certainly points to the

1210
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:34,550
fact that perhaps there's something else

1211
00:47:39,130 --> 00:47:36,410
going on that I can't explain with no

1212
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:39,140
rational thoughts so while I do believe

1213
00:47:41,319 --> 00:47:40,310
a lot of the stuff that happens on the

1214
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:41,329
Ouija are things that happen

1215
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,250
collectively I can't really explain

1216
00:47:47,620 --> 00:47:45,440
those those two pieces at all now

1217
00:47:49,089 --> 00:47:47,630
they're shades shades of Carl Jung boy

1218
00:47:52,410 --> 00:47:49,099
okay that's a collective unconscious

1219
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:52,420
manifesting on on some level very much

1220
00:47:59,200 --> 00:47:56,030
so what other things have you done in

1221
00:48:02,050 --> 00:47:59,210
your long and checkered life well there

1222
00:48:03,849 --> 00:48:02,060
was one other classic one was I was big

1223
00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:03,859
on scaring people I always enjoy scaring

1224
00:48:06,940 --> 00:48:05,089
people and one of my favorite things to

1225
00:48:09,130 --> 00:48:06,950
do is to go to a graveyard an old

1226
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:09,140
graveyard in the middle of the woods by

1227
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:11,450
a university and these soccer fields and

1228
00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:13,010
I brought the Ouija board out and a

1229
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:15,260
couple of my friends and we proceeded to

1230
00:48:19,089 --> 00:48:17,450
Ouija on top of some of these very old

1231
00:48:21,010 --> 00:48:19,099
graves when it was a World War one

1232
00:48:23,470 --> 00:48:21,020
pilots grave that had fallen over they

1233
00:48:26,050 --> 00:48:23,480
put into concrete to memorialize it and

1234
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:26,060
we were reaching on his grave and he

1235
00:48:30,940 --> 00:48:28,490
came on that board and told us to get

1236
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:30,950
the heck away from his spot and and

1237
00:48:34,750 --> 00:48:32,569
leave him alone

1238
00:48:36,819 --> 00:48:34,760
no we continued to eg while we were

1239
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:36,829
there and as we were doing that all of a

1240
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:39,650
sudden standing behind us is a fireman

1241
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:41,450
this fireman is standing there looking

1242
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:42,770
at it's going you kids need to get out

1243
00:48:46,420 --> 00:48:44,240
of here and I can see over his shoulder

1244
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:46,430
there's a full-on blaze going in the

1245
00:48:50,890 --> 00:48:49,010
forest just about 50 meters behind him

1246
00:48:53,050 --> 00:48:50,900
he says somebody set a fire in the woods

1247
00:48:55,150 --> 00:48:53,060
we know it's not you kids because people

1248
00:48:56,770 --> 00:48:55,160
in the house saw who it was and where

1249
00:48:57,339 --> 00:48:56,780
they went but you need to leave here and

1250
00:48:59,050 --> 00:48:57,349
get going

1251
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:59,060
now I was really taken by that because

1252
00:49:03,220 --> 00:49:01,040
we were unaware of any of the sound the

1253
00:49:04,750 --> 00:49:03,230
flames the smoke yet when he stepped

1254
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:04,760
there it's like we had suddenly come

1255
00:49:08,829 --> 00:49:07,010
back to you know that that real-world

1256
00:49:09,819 --> 00:49:08,839
place and that we had been transported

1257
00:49:11,620 --> 00:49:09,829
somewhere and I think that's a real

1258
00:49:12,670 --> 00:49:11,630
common experience and I think that

1259
00:49:15,370 --> 00:49:12,680
experience is something

1260
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:15,380
is also a co-creation in some ways that

1261
00:49:19,420 --> 00:49:17,089
people can get together and experience

1262
00:49:21,010 --> 00:49:19,430
some very strange things together that

1263
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:21,020
perhaps can transport them to other

1264
00:49:24,490 --> 00:49:22,970
places have very shared surreal

1265
00:49:27,609 --> 00:49:24,500
experiences I'm not too sure what that's

1266
00:49:29,980 --> 00:49:27,619
all about but it definitely happened to

1267
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:29,990
us about time and and that was kind of

1268
00:49:34,089 --> 00:49:32,450
the the end of the the Ouija piece for

1269
00:49:36,220 --> 00:49:34,099
me like after that night when we got

1270
00:49:38,170 --> 00:49:36,230
threatened that nobody else wanted to

1271
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:38,180
play any more with me Anna and I pretty

1272
00:49:41,260 --> 00:49:39,650
much gave it up even though I had

1273
00:49:43,390 --> 00:49:41,270
designed and painted my own Ouija board

1274
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:43,400
is quite elaborate made a large circular

1275
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:45,170
one that didn't really work too well

1276
00:49:48,579 --> 00:49:46,160
with the planchette because of the

1277
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,589
excess of heavy paint I put on it but

1278
00:49:51,849 --> 00:49:50,480
that kind of ended that Ouija peace and

1279
00:49:52,930 --> 00:49:51,859
it's not something you know my kids joke

1280
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,940
around and they play with the Ouija

1281
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:54,319
board every now and then but I'll be

1282
00:49:58,930 --> 00:49:55,970
honest I don't encourage it at all I

1283
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:58,940
think some of these investigations can

1284
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:01,520
actually destabilize you kind of makes

1285
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:04,010
me think of the reflective nature of the

1286
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:06,170
UFO phenomenon and other paranormal

1287
00:50:10,510 --> 00:50:08,089
events well I think we've heard on the

1288
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:10,520
para cast many times this idea that if

1289
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,890
you stare too deeply into something it

1290
00:50:17,470 --> 00:50:14,480
can start staring back at you I know

1291
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:17,480
it's a famous quote and and I worry

1292
00:50:20,289 --> 00:50:18,290
about that

1293
00:50:22,030 --> 00:50:20,299
when I read some of the instances and

1294
00:50:25,569 --> 00:50:22,040
cases especially when you look at case

1295
00:50:27,940 --> 00:50:25,579
studies around abduction pieces and you

1296
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,950
can see how people have perhaps bypassed

1297
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:29,839
some of their normal critical thinking

1298
00:50:35,530 --> 00:50:33,290
skills there I'll give an example I had

1299
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:35,540
a phone call one day that came from a

1300
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:38,089
former student's father wanted to talk

1301
00:50:41,770 --> 00:50:40,490
to me and it's okay so what's this about

1302
00:50:43,150 --> 00:50:41,780
what how can I help you sir

1303
00:50:44,620 --> 00:50:43,160
and he said you taught my daughter

1304
00:50:46,839 --> 00:50:44,630
creative writing she really had a great

1305
00:50:48,730 --> 00:50:46,849
time in your class but she told me that

1306
00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:48,740
you had mentioned something about UFOs

1307
00:50:52,059 --> 00:50:50,630
and that you had told the story now he

1308
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,069
proceeded to tell me that he was a

1309
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:54,079
science teacher biology teacher had been

1310
00:50:58,660 --> 00:50:56,210
teaching for a very long time and that

1311
00:51:01,450 --> 00:50:58,670
he had been spending a lot of time on I

1312
00:51:04,299 --> 00:51:01,460
think it was a ralien site or maybe it

1313
00:51:05,620 --> 00:51:04,309
was the Zeta Reticuli site and he wanted

1314
00:51:07,299 --> 00:51:05,630
me to go look at it because he felt he

1315
00:51:09,460 --> 00:51:07,309
had tested it all scientifically and it

1316
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:09,470
all made total and absolute sense to him

1317
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:11,119
and that I should really pay attention

1318
00:51:14,109 --> 00:51:12,770
to some of that stuff and that he wanted

1319
00:51:15,789 --> 00:51:14,119
to get together now I'll be honest I

1320
00:51:17,230 --> 00:51:15,799
never called him again I took a look at

1321
00:51:19,390 --> 00:51:17,240
what was on that site and saw that that

1322
00:51:21,069 --> 00:51:19,400
was complete junk and bunk that was

1323
00:51:22,180 --> 00:51:21,079
there and I'm very concerned that a lot

1324
00:51:24,670 --> 00:51:22,190
of people actually spent time

1325
00:51:25,819 --> 00:51:24,680
participating in things that in fact are

1326
00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:25,829
very unreal and I

1327
00:51:30,229 --> 00:51:28,440
on some levels perhaps or even unhealthy

1328
00:51:33,199 --> 00:51:30,239
we've got a lot more to come with burn

1329
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1330
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1334
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1335
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grow contin weave fabric engraving can

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bed strips and fibers to protect from

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counterfeit and carding to a private

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bank having it lead back at interest

1350
00:52:28,430 --> 00:52:26,759
forcing taxes to service debt this

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00:52:30,049 --> 00:52:28,440
capitalism what was Jefferson correct

1352
00:52:31,699 --> 00:52:30,059
when stating a central bank issuing the

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public currency is a greater menace to

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00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,819
the liberties of the people than a

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standing army hi Ted Anderson I'm

1356
00:52:37,819 --> 00:52:35,999
placing a free silver dollar in a book

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that explains our monetary system call

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for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

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to understand the system call 866 to 237

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that's 800 686 to 237 this alert just

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came in this special announcement is for

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business owners and leaders of

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organizations who've been waiting for

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the right time to build general steel

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has made it impossible to wait any

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00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:04,019
longer with rock-bottom prices that

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00:53:08,479 --> 00:53:06,209
could save you thousands that's right

1368
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general steel America's leader in pre

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engineered structures is offering

1370
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buildings at prices you will never see

1371
00:53:17,809 --> 00:53:14,699
again don't miss these prices of 50 by

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00:53:20,269 --> 00:53:17,819
100 for $35,000 you heard right that's

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5000 square feet for $35,000

1374
00:53:24,289 --> 00:53:22,019
manufacturers if you need a larger

1375
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building try a 100 by 100 commercial

1376
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building for a hundred and twenty nine

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00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:27,569
thousand you can't afford to rent with

1378
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these prices imagine a 70 by 100 foot

1379
00:53:33,319 --> 00:53:31,499
church building for under sixty nine

1380
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:33,329
thousand dollars with the economy

1381
00:53:38,099 --> 00:53:35,249
improving and interest rates still at

1382
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historic lows you can't afford to wait

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all eight six six ninety-one steel lock

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in your price now call eight six six

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ninety-one steel that's eight six six

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[Applause]

1387
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after the para cast podcast with more to

1400
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:37,340
come Chris hey I found a guy executed

1401
00:54:41,590 --> 00:54:40,160
gangland style just I don't know less

1402
00:54:44,460 --> 00:54:41,600
than a hundred feet from my house and

1403
00:54:47,410 --> 00:54:44,470
the in the in the Bronx and in New York

1404
00:54:49,930 --> 00:54:47,420
right after I moved there actually in 75

1405
00:54:53,530 --> 00:54:49,940
and my dog wouldn't you know I normally

1406
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:53,540
would walk the dog around the down by

1407
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:56,090
the Hudson River I was literally in the

1408
00:55:01,090 --> 00:54:57,770
southernmost house in Riverdale I had

1409
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:01,100
ducks and and you know all kinds of

1410
00:55:05,830 --> 00:55:03,170
waterfowl and stuff it was a wooded area

1411
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:05,840
unlike most areas in the Bronx which had

1412
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:08,890
just concrete you know I'm cement and I

1413
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:11,570
the dog wouldn't go down and I saw a guy

1414
00:55:15,010 --> 00:55:13,280
and he seemed to be asleep in his car

1415
00:55:16,330 --> 00:55:15,020
and oftentimes people would sleep to

1416
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:16,340
wait for the next train so I didn't

1417
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:17,570
think anything of a boy and they came

1418
00:55:21,090 --> 00:55:18,910
back up the other way

1419
00:55:23,890 --> 00:55:21,100
his brains have been blown all

1420
00:55:25,810 --> 00:55:23,900
throughout the backseat it was quite

1421
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:25,820
cozy of course I immediately called it

1422
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:28,880
in and and I was you know that was

1423
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:31,250
pretty fascinated watching the homicide

1424
00:55:35,620 --> 00:55:32,930
investigation of course the cops had

1425
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:35,630
used our house is kind of their command

1426
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:38,210
post and we were making coffee and stuff

1427
00:55:42,490 --> 00:55:40,010
and uh you know I was listening to them

1428
00:55:46,780 --> 00:55:42,500
talk about it and I followed up on the

1429
00:55:50,170 --> 00:55:46,790
case actually I kept tabs on it over the

1430
00:55:53,170 --> 00:55:50,180
next year or two but the one thing that

1431
00:55:54,820 --> 00:55:53,180
really brought home what it must be like

1432
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:54,830
to be a homicide detective in New York

1433
00:56:01,000 --> 00:55:58,160
City was the guy was had his plastic

1434
00:56:03,310 --> 00:56:01,010
gloves on and he was examining the the

1435
00:56:06,190 --> 00:56:03,320
two wounds in the neck before the one

1436
00:56:07,850 --> 00:56:06,200
that was under the chin and he was

1437
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:07,860
eating a sandal

1438
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:10,330
at the same time he was working through

1439
00:56:15,630 --> 00:56:13,570
his lunch hour and was having lunch as

1440
00:56:19,290 --> 00:56:15,640
he's doing a forensic exam of a dead

1441
00:56:23,370 --> 00:56:19,300
human and and to me it was a real

1442
00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:23,380
wake-up call that I guess you go into a

1443
00:56:29,730 --> 00:56:27,550
certain place of disconnect at some

1444
00:56:32,270 --> 00:56:29,740
point when you're exposed to horrific

1445
00:56:34,380 --> 00:56:32,280
things like that I'm sure military

1446
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:34,390
active military personnel on the

1447
00:56:41,340 --> 00:56:39,130
frontlines of wars become numb and and

1448
00:56:43,590 --> 00:56:41,350
and just there's some part of the the

1449
00:56:46,380 --> 00:56:43,600
human emotional body and then the human

1450
00:56:48,570 --> 00:56:46,390
brain that just clicks off and it's I

1451
00:56:49,980 --> 00:56:48,580
think a protection mechanism but but to

1452
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:49,990
see the guy sitting there eating a

1453
00:56:58,560 --> 00:56:53,290
sandwich doing that it just blew me away

1454
00:57:01,170 --> 00:56:58,570
and and after a few dozen cattle

1455
00:57:03,150 --> 00:57:01,180
mutilation investigations I remembered

1456
00:57:04,770 --> 00:57:03,160
back to that particular instance and

1457
00:57:07,830 --> 00:57:04,780
realized that I was in the same place

1458
00:57:10,530 --> 00:57:07,840
that you know once you get you know

1459
00:57:12,450 --> 00:57:10,540
really like you never get used to but

1460
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:12,460
once you get used to the to the actual

1461
00:57:19,470 --> 00:57:16,930
scene it becomes less and less grotesque

1462
00:57:20,910 --> 00:57:19,480
up to a certain point especially if you

1463
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:20,920
have your Vicks on your nose so you

1464
00:57:25,410 --> 00:57:22,930
really can't smell the cadaver and that

1465
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:25,420
that's the the the least my least

1466
00:57:30,890 --> 00:57:28,000
favorite part of it but but after I had

1467
00:57:35,490 --> 00:57:30,900
not investigated a case in seven years

1468
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:35,500
from about 99 to 2005 so about six years

1469
00:57:40,620 --> 00:57:38,290
that that next case that I investigated

1470
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:40,630
it just was so gross to me and I had

1471
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:43,200
such a difficult time dealing with it

1472
00:57:51,150 --> 00:57:47,200
that that that switch I guess had been

1473
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:51,160
flicked back on and and and all this

1474
00:57:57,420 --> 00:57:54,880
stuff had a real impact on me in terms

1475
00:58:01,080 --> 00:57:57,430
of just the graphic nature of it and and

1476
00:58:02,670 --> 00:58:01,090
how gross it is there was a six year

1477
00:58:05,099 --> 00:58:02,680
seven-year time period prior to that

1478
00:58:07,050 --> 00:58:05,109
it's uh you know after dozens and dozens

1479
00:58:09,090 --> 00:58:07,060
of these things you just get numb to it

1480
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:09,100
in my old days as a mainstream

1481
00:58:15,870 --> 00:58:11,410
journalist I ran into a couple of death

1482
00:58:19,260 --> 00:58:15,880
scenes once on country road in Vermont

1483
00:58:20,980 --> 00:58:19,270
another time in South Carolina where I

1484
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:20,990
was somebody's home

1485
00:58:29,050 --> 00:58:24,050
the victim had been stabbed in the back

1486
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,060
and was headfirst on a sofa and what I

1487
00:58:34,329 --> 00:58:31,520
saw of course was the police officers

1488
00:58:36,099 --> 00:58:34,339
cracking sardonic jokes I guess to

1489
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:36,109
relieve the tension it's what they had

1490
00:58:41,050 --> 00:58:38,330
to do imagine being a medical examiner

1491
00:58:43,390 --> 00:58:41,060
or a coroner in a big city it just

1492
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:43,400
boggles my mind that people can actually

1493
00:58:48,099 --> 00:58:45,920
have that as a life work it I don't know

1494
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:48,109
it's it's a tough job and somebody has

1495
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:49,970
to do it but man it must take a real

1496
00:58:53,740 --> 00:58:52,160
steely Constitution to be able to deal

1497
00:58:55,570 --> 00:58:53,750
with that and just the ultimate and

1498
00:58:57,099 --> 00:58:55,580
professionalism okay can I wait just

1499
00:58:59,260 --> 00:58:57,109
pick up on that a little bit because I

1500
00:59:00,880 --> 00:58:59,270
also have a lot of respect for that that

1501
00:59:02,349 --> 00:59:00,890
frontline worker I work a lot with

1502
00:59:03,820 --> 00:59:02,359
police and paramedics inside my

1503
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:03,830
classroom doing different educational

1504
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:05,450
components and some of the stories they

1505
00:59:08,770 --> 00:59:07,490
tell are absolutely just jaw-dropping

1506
00:59:10,750 --> 00:59:08,780
and as you say it's an incredible

1507
00:59:12,070 --> 00:59:10,760
Constitution to do this work and I have

1508
00:59:14,020 --> 00:59:12,080
a lot of respect for those who who are

1509
00:59:16,089 --> 00:59:14,030
very professional in that areas but when

1510
00:59:17,710 --> 00:59:16,099
you think about the regular person who

1511
00:59:19,390 --> 00:59:17,720
sees something that they're not supposed

1512
00:59:21,220 --> 00:59:19,400
to see and and say for example the

1513
00:59:22,570 --> 00:59:21,230
trauma that's associated with that I

1514
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:22,580
don't know if anybody any of you have

1515
00:59:25,150 --> 00:59:24,050
ever had you know a very traumatic

1516
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:25,160
experience I had a very traumatic

1517
00:59:28,660 --> 00:59:26,570
experience when my father died he

1518
00:59:31,660 --> 00:59:28,670
drowned in front of us up in Northern

1519
00:59:34,420 --> 00:59:31,670
Ontario in a lake at the undertow to

1520
00:59:35,710 --> 00:59:34,430
come out into a very large lake area and

1521
00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:35,720
he disappeared in front of us and I'll

1522
00:59:40,450 --> 00:59:37,849
tell you that trauma lasted four years

1523
00:59:41,950 --> 00:59:40,460
for me and just to connect it to the

1524
00:59:43,810 --> 00:59:41,960
paranormal piece like when you think of

1525
00:59:46,450 --> 00:59:43,820
the frontline police officers and I'm

1526
00:59:48,839 --> 00:59:46,460
thinking specifically of Dales far in

1527
00:59:51,150 --> 00:59:48,849
the portage Ohio piece and then Shermer

1528
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:51,160
how both of them you know really

1529
00:59:56,050 --> 00:59:53,930
completely destabilized because the

1530
00:59:58,930 --> 00:59:56,060
thing that they had seen was literally

1531
01:00:00,640 --> 00:59:58,940
too much for them and and and and it had

1532
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:00,650
a real rattling effect and then you

1533
01:00:04,359 --> 01:00:02,210
combine that with the social isolation

1534
01:00:06,609 --> 01:00:04,369
and you take a look at how witnesses are

1535
01:00:08,130 --> 01:00:06,619
treated and how witnesses who have seen

1536
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:08,140
something that is just absolutely

1537
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:11,210
impossible and the impact that that has

1538
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:13,490
on an individual I think we see that

1539
01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:14,930
throughout the literature and I really

1540
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:16,910
feel that something that needs a better

1541
01:00:21,099 --> 01:00:19,280
kind of address and and and they need to

1542
01:00:23,380 --> 01:00:21,109
be treated differently instead of being

1543
01:00:25,839 --> 01:00:23,390
mocked all the time because these are

1544
01:00:28,270 --> 01:00:25,849
these are pioneering individuals who are

1545
01:00:30,609 --> 01:00:28,280
having very radical experiences that I

1546
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:30,619
feel that we're dismissing as opposed to

1547
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:32,240
perhaps learning from them and maybe in

1548
01:00:35,470 --> 01:00:34,250
the ways that we used to learn from them

1549
01:00:37,930 --> 01:00:35,480
and I do think that's something that

1550
01:00:40,660 --> 01:00:37,940
repeats quite a bit and I wish it wasn't

1551
01:00:42,550 --> 01:00:40,670
that way really but I totally agree I've

1552
01:00:44,530 --> 01:00:42,560
been saying for years that I feel that

1553
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:44,540
the experience is important of course

1554
01:00:50,170 --> 01:00:47,330
but I think the impact on the

1555
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:50,180
experiencer is where a majority of the

1556
01:00:54,660 --> 01:00:51,920
work really should be done instead of

1557
01:00:56,980 --> 01:00:54,670
you know getting duration azimuth

1558
01:00:59,440 --> 01:00:56,990
luminance you know all these wonderful

1559
01:01:02,080 --> 01:00:59,450
scientific data points I think the

1560
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:02,090
follow-up work on a person that has had

1561
01:01:06,010 --> 01:01:03,890
a paradigm shifting or life-changing

1562
01:01:08,140 --> 01:01:06,020
experience to find out how that is has

1563
01:01:09,940 --> 01:01:08,150
impacted their emotional life their

1564
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:09,950
relationships how they view their

1565
01:01:15,300 --> 01:01:12,890
reality how open they are about these

1566
01:01:17,650 --> 01:01:15,310
subjects how closed down they become

1567
01:01:21,630 --> 01:01:17,660
these are the areas I think that that

1568
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:21,640
there's a tremendous amount of potential

1569
01:01:26,770 --> 01:01:24,410
information and insight that we can we

1570
01:01:28,420 --> 01:01:26,780
can gain from from properly following up

1571
01:01:30,370 --> 01:01:28,430
with these cases and looking at the

1572
01:01:32,650 --> 01:01:30,380
experiencer and the impact of the

1573
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:32,660
experience on that person of course this

1574
01:01:36,970 --> 01:01:34,250
would fall into the whole idea of the

1575
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:36,980
valet control mechanism have small

1576
01:01:42,820 --> 01:01:39,530
little incremental events within the

1577
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:42,830
collective may have tremendous impact in

1578
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:44,720
Toto it when you start adding them all

1579
01:01:51,070 --> 01:01:47,359
up and it's those individual little

1580
01:01:53,470 --> 01:01:51,080
points within the collective that may be

1581
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:53,480
at lynchpin places in their culture or

1582
01:01:58,089 --> 01:01:56,330
in the timeframe and and not enough work

1583
01:02:00,190 --> 01:01:58,099
is being done studying of this

1584
01:02:02,890 --> 01:02:00,200
particular aspect and you you point that

1585
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:02,900
out in many of your posts that that that

1586
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:05,450
it's this this kind of force for the

1587
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:07,510
trees attitude I think that the the

1588
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:10,250
investigation and research community has

1589
01:02:16,089 --> 01:02:12,710
that that they have these kind of blind

1590
01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:16,099
spots and blinders on to what could be

1591
01:02:22,030 --> 01:02:19,910
very fertile ground for for just opening

1592
01:02:24,820 --> 01:02:22,040
up a whole new level of awareness and

1593
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:24,830
understanding about these things well

1594
01:02:26,740 --> 01:02:25,730
you take a look at the nature of the

1595
01:02:28,690 --> 01:02:26,750
society we live in

1596
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:28,700
we're very consumed by our consumerism

1597
01:02:33,820 --> 01:02:31,520
our Madana tea or metal or concrete that

1598
01:02:36,430 --> 01:02:33,830
world of the irrational creative impulse

1599
01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:36,440
that we've really done a lot to kick

1600
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:38,390
that into the ground and stomp all over

1601
01:02:43,210 --> 01:02:40,640
it and when you think of days gone by

1602
01:02:44,980 --> 01:02:43,220
that irrational individual be they

1603
01:02:47,170 --> 01:02:44,990
schizophrenic delusional or whatever

1604
01:02:47,890 --> 01:02:47,180
labels that we give them now they were

1605
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:47,900
once upon

1606
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:50,210
time.the the shamans the seers the

1607
01:02:54,819 --> 01:02:52,130
leaders that the people who introduce

1608
01:02:57,279 --> 01:02:54,829
new ideas to the tribe to the group that

1609
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:57,289
shifted things they were that anti

1610
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:00,319
structure catalyst of change who saw

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01:03:04,420 --> 01:03:02,450
something incredible perhaps experienced

1612
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:04,430
something incredible brought that back

1613
01:03:08,829 --> 01:03:06,710
to the group and it was used as a pivot

1614
01:03:10,599 --> 01:03:08,839
point you notice as a piece of learning

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01:03:12,730 --> 01:03:10,609
a way to go perhaps in a new direction

1616
01:03:14,740 --> 01:03:12,740
and you take a look at where we are now

1617
01:03:15,779 --> 01:03:14,750
with the irrational and I'm thinking of

1618
01:03:18,190 --> 01:03:15,789
you know the ship ship of fools

1619
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:18,200
mentality that we used to have back in

1620
01:03:23,319 --> 01:03:19,730
the day where we would gather all the

1621
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:23,329
information and throw them along on an

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01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:24,770
old boat and send them down the

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01:03:28,029 --> 01:03:26,720
coastline and they would land somewhere

1624
01:03:29,380 --> 01:03:28,039
and somebody would gather up the group

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01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:29,390
from their village add them to the boat

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01:03:34,900 --> 01:03:31,970
and and keep on shipping it so in my age

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if my ship comes in I better watch out

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for it we have burned state joining Jean

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and Chris you're in the para cast do you

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critically acclaimed success and now

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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01:04:31,299 --> 01:04:28,849
dream that turns out to be a nightmare

1648
01:04:33,010 --> 01:04:31,309
because evil forces on our distant

1649
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:33,020
planet are planning to conquer the earth

1650
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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more at Rocko it's calm that's Rocko

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01:04:50,349 --> 01:04:47,569
it's our Ock oids calm friends this is

1655
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:50,359
Alex Jones for Midas resources comm for

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01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:52,490
more than 15 years I have exclusively

1657
01:04:56,829 --> 01:04:54,559
used Midas resources for all my precious

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01:04:58,569 --> 01:04:56,839
metal needs whether it's bullion or

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collectibles you're looking for

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Midas Reese

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is simply the best I own my gold is a

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hedge against inflation this Federal

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Reserve fiat currency could go the way

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of the Deutsche Mark in the Weimar

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Republic anytime in these historically

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01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:13,370
dangerous times it makes sense to

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physically hold gold and silver Midas

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already has some of the best deals in

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the industry but if you give them a call

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and mention the radio special they will

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01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:22,760
give you a list of the day's super

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specials Midas brokers are standing by

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to answer all your questions at 816 they

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01:05:33,970 --> 01:05:31,790
also have a lot of informative free

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literature explaining the opportunities

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and risk of holding precious metals they

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[Music]

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01:05:53,329 --> 01:05:51,650
you pick up the receiver with your heart

1679
01:05:54,890 --> 01:05:53,339
racing and sweat dripping from your

1680
01:05:56,569 --> 01:05:54,900
forehead you finally muster the courage

1681
01:05:59,210 --> 01:05:56,579
to dial the number to call in to your

1682
01:06:01,849 --> 01:05:59,220
favorite talk radio show it was twice

1683
01:06:03,799 --> 01:06:01,859
and live now it's G Zn what's your name

1684
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:03,809
and misty calling from surprised you got

1685
01:06:07,099 --> 01:06:05,910
through you squeak out Jason from

1686
01:06:08,839 --> 01:06:07,109
Minnesota please hold

1687
01:06:10,819 --> 01:06:08,849
as you patiently wait for your turn you

1688
01:06:13,099 --> 01:06:10,829
begin to daydream about being a famous

1689
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:13,109
talk radio host and would be like to

1690
01:06:19,220 --> 01:06:16,890
have your own show millions of loyal

1691
01:06:21,620 --> 01:06:19,230
listeners worldwide waiting to call and

1692
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:21,630
talk to you color are you there cheering

1693
01:06:24,790 --> 01:06:23,250
crowd surrounds you calling out your

1694
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:24,800
name

1695
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:35,030
around with the host you're listening to

1696
01:06:40,010 --> 01:06:37,650
right now online at GC and live.com

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01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:40,020
click on the community link engage with

1698
01:06:44,090 --> 01:06:41,970
other listeners ask questions start

1699
01:06:47,210 --> 01:06:44,100
debates don't agree with a host let them

1700
01:06:50,450 --> 01:06:47,220
know be a part of the community at GC

1701
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:50,460
and live.com hi I'm George Noory from

1702
01:06:54,830 --> 01:06:52,050
coast-to-coast am i recently learned

1703
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:54,840
about a very unusual pharmacist who does

1704
01:06:59,540 --> 01:06:56,970
not advocate to use of prescription

1705
01:07:01,850 --> 01:06:59,550
drugs except in rare circumstances say

1706
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:01,860
when powerful antibiotics are needed to

1707
01:07:07,340 --> 01:07:04,410
kill a potentially lethal infection such

1708
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:07,350
as pneumonia or staff instead pharmacist

1709
01:07:12,530 --> 01:07:10,050
Ben Fuchs from Boulder Colorado suggests

1710
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:12,540
always giving the body all the nutrients

1711
01:07:17,630 --> 01:07:14,850
it needs to survive thrive escape

1712
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,640
illness and live younger and longer I

1713
01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:19,440
don't think you will find anyone who

1714
01:07:23,930 --> 01:07:21,420
knows more about how the body works and

1715
01:07:26,420 --> 01:07:23,940
can explain it in such a delightful and

1716
01:07:28,460 --> 01:07:26,430
entertaining way that has recorded some

1717
01:07:31,370 --> 01:07:28,470
very useful health nugget minutes that

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01:07:34,070 --> 01:07:31,380
are available 24/7 online at critical

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01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:34,080
health news.com I invite you to log on

1720
01:07:39,140 --> 01:07:36,960
to critical health news.com listen to

1721
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:39,150
these pharmacists Ben health nuggets and

1722
01:07:44,210 --> 01:07:41,910
maybe even in Iraq with Ben by a chat or

1723
01:07:49,780 --> 01:07:44,220
email you're going to love pharmacist

1724
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:49,790
Ben online at critical health news dot

1725
01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:52,770
we'd like to hear from you if you have a

1726
01:07:58,460 --> 01:07:54,780
comment or question about the para cast

1727
01:08:01,920 --> 01:07:58,470
sent it to news at the para cast com

1728
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:01,930
that's news at the para cast

1729
01:08:07,170 --> 01:08:03,730
and don't forget to visit our famous

1730
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:07,180
para cast community forums at forum dot

1731
01:08:14,849 --> 01:08:12,490
the podcast.com with Jean and Chris we

1732
01:08:18,209 --> 01:08:14,859
have Robert known to our forum members

1733
01:08:22,860 --> 01:08:18,219
as burnt State Robert how does your

1734
01:08:26,669 --> 01:08:22,870
family identify yeah I'm dad

1735
01:08:28,380 --> 01:08:26,679
I'm father the dog licks my face that's

1736
01:08:30,269 --> 01:08:28,390
his call to me or sniffs my crotch

1737
01:08:34,260 --> 01:08:30,279
that's probably his happiest thing to do

1738
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:34,270
and my wife just calls me Rob so the

1739
01:08:41,579 --> 01:08:37,839
presence on the forums does not impact

1740
01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:41,589
her in any negative way no no no she's

1741
01:08:46,349 --> 01:08:43,839
very happy with the the wage-earning

1742
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:46,359
that i'm doing right now and appreciates

1743
01:08:52,979 --> 01:08:47,770
that i've taken on all of the kitchen

1744
01:08:55,860 --> 01:08:52,989
duties whoa cooking is one of my biggest

1745
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:55,870
relaxation pieces going me too

1746
01:08:59,610 --> 01:08:57,759
surrounded by cookbooks I love trying

1747
01:09:01,289 --> 01:08:59,620
new foods I love trying to cook new

1748
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:01,299
foods for the family my daughter has

1749
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:03,730
gone on and off vegetarianism at various

1750
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:05,440
points in her life and I have to adapt

1751
01:09:08,189 --> 01:09:06,850
and learn new things that way as well

1752
01:09:09,959 --> 01:09:08,199
which has been it's all been a very

1753
01:09:12,329 --> 01:09:09,969
interesting fun part of my my life

1754
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:12,339
really is your cooking drawn to any

1755
01:09:16,140 --> 01:09:14,770
particular cuisine I'm pretty all over

1756
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:16,150
the map and I'm very interested in

1757
01:09:20,010 --> 01:09:17,890
trying other cultures my partner is

1758
01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:20,020
Chinese so I've learned a lot of

1759
01:09:25,380 --> 01:09:22,630
different Asian cooking styles that from

1760
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:25,390
Sun she opted that we used to make sushi

1761
01:09:28,499 --> 01:09:26,799
all the time we would go find ourselves

1762
01:09:31,470 --> 01:09:28,509
a nice Lankan tuna from the market and

1763
01:09:33,180 --> 01:09:31,480
bring that home and carve it up so but

1764
01:09:34,530 --> 01:09:33,190
I'm willing to try anything I'll try

1765
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:34,540
anything from any culture I've really

1766
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:35,920
been interested in kind of Middle

1767
01:09:40,019 --> 01:09:38,650
Eastern food and other spices and trying

1768
01:09:41,789 --> 01:09:40,029
to come up with new things I get as a

1769
01:09:43,919 --> 01:09:41,799
regular piece I teach a group of kids

1770
01:09:45,209 --> 01:09:43,929
called the IB program the International

1771
01:09:47,130 --> 01:09:45,219
Baccalaureate program and these kids

1772
01:09:49,050 --> 01:09:47,140
like my school actually come from from

1773
01:09:50,939 --> 01:09:49,060
all over the world so I always ask them

1774
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:50,949
at the end of every semester I don't

1775
01:09:55,229 --> 01:09:52,690
want your mom's recipe in a cookbook I

1776
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:55,239
want your mom's mom's recipe give me the

1777
01:09:58,560 --> 01:09:56,890
best ones your favorites let's put them

1778
01:10:00,330 --> 01:09:58,570
together and then I use that as my next

1779
01:10:01,229 --> 01:10:00,340
round of cooking for the next year what

1780
01:10:04,020 --> 01:10:01,239
a good idea

1781
01:10:07,050 --> 01:10:04,030
so is there perhaps a burnt state

1782
01:10:08,850 --> 01:10:07,060
restaurant in your future oh I would

1783
01:10:10,860 --> 01:10:08,860
love that as a retirement piece right

1784
01:10:12,030 --> 01:10:10,870
more like a B&B thing where I just get

1785
01:10:13,919 --> 01:10:12,040
to cook whatever I want I'm not

1786
01:10:15,630 --> 01:10:13,929
interested in taking orders from people

1787
01:10:18,660 --> 01:10:15,640
but I'd be happy to say here eat this

1788
01:10:20,460 --> 01:10:18,670
good for you it's a mistake yeah well I

1789
01:10:22,890 --> 01:10:20,470
just had some news actually a friend of

1790
01:10:24,750 --> 01:10:22,900
mine just sent some mousse up my brother

1791
01:10:26,610 --> 01:10:24,760
brought it here he killed one up in the

1792
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:26,620
north of Sioux sainte-marie where I

1793
01:10:32,370 --> 01:10:28,330
originally come from and I have to tell

1794
01:10:34,980 --> 01:10:32,380
you that music was I've had you know a

1795
01:10:36,660 --> 01:10:34,990
long time if it's done right absolutely

1796
01:10:41,850 --> 01:10:36,670
it was wonderful it's like the ultimate

1797
01:10:47,540 --> 01:10:41,860
pot roast no insult intended but my wife

1798
01:10:54,150 --> 01:10:52,140
you can't eat a hair product so I take

1799
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:54,160
it then that you do not encourage your

1800
01:10:59,850 --> 01:10:57,250
family to partake in any paranormal

1801
01:11:02,340 --> 01:10:59,860
studies I I'll be honest I don't

1802
01:11:04,260 --> 01:11:02,350
encourage it at all and and as I say I

1803
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:04,270
come across as being pretty critical and

1804
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:07,450
skeptical on most pieces and so the few

1805
01:11:11,940 --> 01:11:09,970
things that they do hear me speak about

1806
01:11:13,860 --> 01:11:11,950
these is actually this critical pieces

1807
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:13,870
are not those ones where I am like

1808
01:11:18,210 --> 01:11:16,210
totally jaw dropped and going what just

1809
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:18,220
how is that possible you know and I kind

1810
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:20,560
of see that I'll be honest for the para

1811
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:23,170
cast and I found a collection of peers

1812
01:11:27,060 --> 01:11:25,210
on the forum where I can engage in that

1813
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:27,070
dialogue and I think that's a better and

1814
01:11:30,570 --> 01:11:29,170
healthier place I can you know pick and

1815
01:11:32,610 --> 01:11:30,580
choose who you want to engage in the

1816
01:11:34,410 --> 01:11:32,620
dialogue with and follow a really

1817
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:34,420
interesting creative set of ideas

1818
01:11:38,250 --> 01:11:36,370
because there's always so many amazing

1819
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:38,260
characters that are there that really

1820
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:41,290
drive the forum environments I as I've

1821
01:11:44,730 --> 01:11:42,730
really enjoyed it there and that's

1822
01:11:47,220 --> 01:11:44,740
really I spend my time in terms of

1823
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:47,230
discussing paranormal pieces and I

1824
01:11:51,450 --> 01:11:48,400
suppose you've seen some of the

1825
01:11:53,550 --> 01:11:51,460
characters who come on in there and post

1826
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:53,560
messages not to convey information but

1827
01:11:59,310 --> 01:11:56,560
maybe to cause a bit of trouble yeah

1828
01:12:01,620 --> 01:11:59,320
yeah in the troll events happen on a

1829
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:01,630
number of occasions it's a curious

1830
01:12:06,450 --> 01:12:03,760
phenomenon I've met a few of the people

1831
01:12:08,970 --> 01:12:06,460
who are some of the nastier posters

1832
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:08,980
online and they come across this real

1833
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:11,440
Pussycats in person but as soon as they

1834
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:14,800
get this cloak of anonymity they become

1835
01:12:20,460 --> 01:12:17,410
other people they become mr. Hyde or

1836
01:12:22,380 --> 01:12:20,470
miss Hyde yeah they certainly can be and

1837
01:12:24,060 --> 01:12:22,390
I know from working with youth around

1838
01:12:25,410 --> 01:12:24,070
issues of bullying online and in why do

1839
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:25,420
kids bully and why do they feel more

1840
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:27,010
empowered when they're behind a screen

1841
01:12:29,460 --> 01:12:28,690
and not face-to-face you can imagine a

1842
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:29,470
lot of the stuff that

1843
01:12:33,570 --> 01:12:31,930
spoken to each other at least the nasty

1844
01:12:36,150 --> 01:12:33,580
stuff that you see on forums sometimes

1845
01:12:37,530 --> 01:12:36,160
it never happened in a bar with two

1846
01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:37,540
people up against each other unless they

1847
01:12:40,890 --> 01:12:39,490
were prepared to release lug it out and

1848
01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:40,900
is it even worth it when you take a look

1849
01:12:44,250 --> 01:12:42,820
at what the discussion pieces and I

1850
01:12:45,780 --> 01:12:44,260
chalk it up to this I'll be honest not

1851
01:12:47,730 --> 01:12:45,790
everybody lives a very happy life or

1852
01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:47,740
feels content or discovered you know a

1853
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:49,900
Zen way of being and I think a lot of

1854
01:12:54,150 --> 01:12:52,090
people have a lot of anger issues and

1855
01:12:56,190 --> 01:12:54,160
difficulty and complexity to their life

1856
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:56,200
and and then it's really easy to

1857
01:13:00,960 --> 01:12:58,960
scapegoat that that other individual

1858
01:13:02,940 --> 01:13:00,970
that you don't know and use that perhaps

1859
01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:02,950
as an avenue or a funnel to air your

1860
01:13:06,810 --> 01:13:05,110
griefs or your anger or whatever it is

1861
01:13:08,700 --> 01:13:06,820
and I think it's also very easy to

1862
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:08,710
explode you know and pick on really

1863
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:09,970
little things and think that somebody

1864
01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:12,010
else is picking on you and really you

1865
01:13:15,060 --> 01:13:13,510
know what we do know from that kind of

1866
01:13:16,500 --> 01:13:15,070
behavior in that discussion is is that

1867
01:13:18,090 --> 01:13:16,510
that's really about how people feel

1868
01:13:18,810 --> 01:13:18,100
about themselves and it's about how

1869
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:18,820
people have their own personal

1870
01:13:23,310 --> 01:13:21,280
difficulties and and so I try not to

1871
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:23,320
engage in those discussions or encourage

1872
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that discussion at all and and try to

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01:13:29,630 --> 01:13:28,060
move on to other topics really yeah it's

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01:13:32,970 --> 01:13:29,640
quite sad that some of these people

1875
01:13:36,450 --> 01:13:32,980
really get so bent out of shape over the

1876
01:13:37,770 --> 01:13:36,460
most inconsequential issues I don't

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01:13:39,660 --> 01:13:37,780
think there's you know anything worth

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01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:39,670
that you need to get that excited and

1879
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:41,530
emotional but I mean it's a forum people

1880
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:43,210
and I think I'm sure many of us have

1881
01:13:46,830 --> 01:13:45,730
realized that have more important people

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that are right in front of us you know

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real life living flesh and and blood

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01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:50,200
people that we should be really

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01:13:55,050 --> 01:13:51,850
investing our time and emotion into so

1886
01:13:57,330 --> 01:13:55,060
so why add extra you know emotion and

1887
01:13:59,280 --> 01:13:57,340
negativity to your life work stress is

1888
01:14:00,510 --> 01:13:59,290
enough already being alive in the 21st

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01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:00,520
century is pretty difficult

1890
01:14:04,830 --> 01:14:02,170
something that supposed to be fun and

1891
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entertaining and relaxing relaxing why

1892
01:14:08,250 --> 01:14:06,190
should you bring so much emotion to that

1893
01:14:09,450 --> 01:14:08,260
I question that sometimes and I wish

1894
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people would just relax a little bit

1895
01:14:13,290 --> 01:14:11,560
more let's get back to the forums of

1896
01:14:17,100 --> 01:14:13,300
course obviously those who get bent out

1897
01:14:19,050 --> 01:14:17,110
of shape what we do is we urge them or

1898
01:14:21,150 --> 01:14:19,060
force them to take a brief vacation or

1899
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:21,160
permanent vacation so let's look at some

1900
01:14:25,980 --> 01:14:23,410
of the more interesting forum posts that

1901
01:14:27,990 --> 01:14:25,990
you've handled on the forums Robert you

1902
01:14:29,670 --> 01:14:28,000
know I saw a post there from from

1903
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:29,680
stagger Lee asking about you know the

1904
01:14:34,110 --> 01:14:31,690
burnt shingles and was that not in fact

1905
01:14:36,060 --> 01:14:34,120
evidence of a physical craft there and

1906
01:14:38,130 --> 01:14:36,070
when you look at valets you know break

1907
01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:38,140
down but I think he identifies three

1908
01:14:43,050 --> 01:14:40,510
specific components you know there's the

1909
01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:43,060
the idea of a physical crowd

1910
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something that maybe pings off radar

1911
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that maybe leaves impressions on grounds

1912
01:14:52,110 --> 01:14:49,330
or burns jingles there's the phenomenon

1913
01:14:53,610 --> 01:14:52,120
itself that is witnessed that that the

1914
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witness goes through it whatever it is

1915
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that they CR feel and experience and

1916
01:14:59,640 --> 01:14:56,890
then the third component is the

1917
01:15:01,050 --> 01:14:59,650
sociological aftermath of it all and and

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01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:01,060
I really like the idea of breaking it

1919
01:15:04,740 --> 01:15:03,490
down into those three pieces and I know

1920
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:04,750
there's a pretty famous interview

1921
01:15:08,460 --> 01:15:06,970
between him and and Jerry Clark you know

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characters who've been diametrically

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opposed at various points in their their

1924
01:15:15,540 --> 01:15:14,020
discussions around ufology and and Clark

1925
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:15,550
is trying to get him to say you know is

1926
01:15:18,860 --> 01:15:17,050
it not a physical object you know it's a

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real object that's that's out there and

1928
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and the lady's trying to say well we see

1929
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these physical effects but that doesn't

1930
01:15:27,570 --> 01:15:25,480
necessarily mean that it is purely

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physical it's it's both he says right

1932
01:15:31,500 --> 01:15:29,770
that it can't be can be both and he

1933
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:31,510
cites some pretty classic examples of

1934
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objects dissolving that appear to be

1935
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:36,160
solid and then seem to disappear into

1936
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:38,410
the into the ether and you know whether

1937
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:40,570
or not that those craft that that that

1938
01:15:43,890 --> 01:15:42,490
that I saw that you know burned those

1939
01:15:46,650 --> 01:15:43,900
shingles and burned that tree did they

1940
01:15:48,060 --> 01:15:46,660
create the impression of that do they

1941
01:15:50,190 --> 01:15:48,070
have that I am I imagine they've got the

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energy the technology the ability to do

1943
01:15:54,540 --> 01:15:52,150
whatever they wanted they leave a mark

1944
01:15:57,690 --> 01:15:54,550
for me to look at is it baked of some

1945
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kind are we being lured into this area

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01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:00,430
for for other purposes you know and so I

1947
01:16:04,770 --> 01:16:02,770
question the concept of the physical

1948
01:16:06,810 --> 01:16:04,780
nature of it I know that there's a lot

1949
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of examples of that and what I would say

1950
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whatever it is I think the UFO conundrum

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is a highly complex conundrum especially

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as it connects to abductions it's a very

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complex piece and and I don't think we

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can say simple things like it's the ETH

1955
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or it's the ID eight I think that it's

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something we really don't have a handle

1957
01:16:27,570 --> 01:16:25,630
on as of yet oh we can just describe it

1958
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and describe its components we have a

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lot more to come we're talking to burnt

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today at guns eight zero calm on the

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podcast this week we're presenting one

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of our most knowledgeable and prolific

2069
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forum posters Penn State and one of the

2070
01:21:23,139 --> 01:21:19,579
subjects that comes up in the UFO field

2071
01:21:25,929 --> 01:21:23,149
very often is whether some or all of the

2072
01:21:28,089 --> 01:21:25,939
recent sightings are the result of test

2073
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equipment from the military or private

2074
01:21:31,810 --> 01:21:30,139
industry that could be a possibility you

2075
01:21:33,729 --> 01:21:31,820
know I looked at one point and two you

2076
01:21:36,069 --> 01:21:33,739
know are the ships that we're seeing

2077
01:21:37,719 --> 01:21:36,079
perhaps just advanced human technology

2078
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:37,729
experimental pieces I think some people

2079
01:21:41,580 --> 01:21:39,679
have posted about you know Rendlesham is

2080
01:21:43,989 --> 01:21:41,590
being perhaps some type of holographic

2081
01:21:46,750 --> 01:21:43,999
experimental piece testing the security

2082
01:21:48,100 --> 01:21:46,760
of of the people's there and I kind of

2083
01:21:50,919 --> 01:21:48,110
looked at you know our hologram

2084
01:21:53,409 --> 01:21:50,929
technology over the decades and and I

2085
01:21:55,509 --> 01:21:53,419
don't really see a capacity there to do

2086
01:21:57,009 --> 01:21:55,519
the things that that we're seeing that's

2087
01:21:59,169 --> 01:21:57,019
being reported I think there's something

2088
01:22:01,959 --> 01:21:59,179
much more sophisticated by taking place

2089
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:01,969
than any human technology that's at work

2090
01:22:07,839 --> 01:22:04,249
and and I would imagine that whatever is

2091
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:07,849
behind the UFO experience has the

2092
01:22:13,929 --> 01:22:10,610
ability it seems to not only manipulate

2093
01:22:16,389 --> 01:22:13,939
our our own perhaps experience and in

2094
01:22:19,449 --> 01:22:16,399
response to it or or maybe we are

2095
01:22:21,250 --> 01:22:19,459
somehow hardwired in a way that does

2096
01:22:22,989 --> 01:22:21,260
respond to whatever that external

2097
01:22:25,540 --> 01:22:22,999
stimulus is to kind of produce the

2098
01:22:26,979 --> 01:22:25,550
things that that we do and maybe you

2099
01:22:28,899 --> 01:22:26,989
know we go from culture to culture we

2100
01:22:30,129 --> 01:22:28,909
see different kinds of craft we go from

2101
01:22:32,500 --> 01:22:30,139
culture to culture we see different

2102
01:22:34,089 --> 01:22:32,510
kinds of aliens depending on what kind

2103
01:22:35,859 --> 01:22:34,099
of you know pharmacology you're putting

2104
01:22:38,350 --> 01:22:35,869
into your mind you also might see these

2105
01:22:40,899 --> 01:22:38,360
different kinds of aliens as well so I'm

2106
01:22:42,850 --> 01:22:40,909
kind of leaning towards this notion that

2107
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:42,860
there's something about us and about our

2108
01:22:46,959 --> 01:22:45,050
neuro chemistry that is responding to an

2109
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:46,969
external stimulus

2110
01:22:51,969 --> 01:22:49,610
that makes the see what we see the the

2111
01:22:53,739 --> 01:22:51,979
idea of it being solid and physical

2112
01:22:55,390 --> 01:22:53,749
that's that's a conundrum and I and I

2113
01:22:56,979 --> 01:22:55,400
leave it to Jerry Clark's kind of you

2114
01:22:59,169 --> 01:22:56,989
know final statement about the the

2115
01:23:01,149 --> 01:22:59,179
luminol experience you know there's

2116
01:23:03,189 --> 01:23:01,159
those hardcore cases that we have trace

2117
01:23:05,979 --> 01:23:03,199
evidence of but most of the stuff that

2118
01:23:07,660 --> 01:23:05,989
we've got really is alive only in the

2119
01:23:09,850 --> 01:23:07,670
minds of the witness and the any

2120
01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:09,860
experience or and there is no proof for

2121
01:23:13,359 --> 01:23:11,510
it anywhere else and even that real

2122
01:23:15,879 --> 01:23:13,369
physical proof is pretty hard to come by

2123
01:23:19,209 --> 01:23:15,889
but what about the trace evidence factor

2124
01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:19,219
isn't that an indication of something

2125
01:23:25,689 --> 01:23:22,729
venez solid that can be identified I

2126
01:23:27,790 --> 01:23:25,699
mean with a radar tracking we realize

2127
01:23:30,700 --> 01:23:27,800
any kind of signal might trigger the

2128
01:23:31,689 --> 01:23:30,710
radar but what about trace evidence yeah

2129
01:23:33,399 --> 01:23:31,699
well you know when you listen to

2130
01:23:35,290 --> 01:23:33,409
Valley's explanation of it as he's

2131
01:23:37,870 --> 01:23:35,300
trying to explain to Jerry look this is

2132
01:23:39,729 --> 01:23:37,880
all I'm thinking about it he says well

2133
01:23:43,029 --> 01:23:39,739
it's very easy for this phenomenon

2134
01:23:45,580 --> 01:23:43,039
perhaps to create that trace evidence to

2135
01:23:47,620 --> 01:23:45,590
leave that there behind right to leave

2136
01:23:49,810 --> 01:23:47,630
the impression of of here we are we are

2137
01:23:52,209 --> 01:23:49,820
perhaps craft from another you know

2138
01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:52,219
galaxy or even in some of the abduction

2139
01:23:55,569 --> 01:23:53,840
lore you know we hear the tales of all

2140
01:23:58,089 --> 01:23:55,579
you know we're from the third galaxy

2141
01:23:59,709 --> 01:23:58,099
over here were Tito nians or whatever

2142
01:24:02,950 --> 01:23:59,719
you know you hear all these different

2143
01:24:04,419 --> 01:24:02,960
kind of tales that I don't know if we

2144
01:24:06,399 --> 01:24:04,429
can actually say it's it's a real

2145
01:24:07,989 --> 01:24:06,409
physical piece even with the the radar

2146
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:07,999
piece is what we can say and this is

2147
01:24:12,969 --> 01:24:10,249
that lace position is there's enough

2148
01:24:15,250 --> 01:24:12,979
energy behind whatever it is that gives

2149
01:24:16,899 --> 01:24:15,260
that ability or that capacity to create

2150
01:24:18,609 --> 01:24:16,909
that and and it seems like there's

2151
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:18,619
almost a heightened awareness on

2152
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:20,719
whatever it is that's behind the UFO

2153
01:24:26,580 --> 01:24:24,170
experience that we have very minimal you

2154
01:24:28,810 --> 01:24:26,590
know examples of something that's really

2155
01:24:30,700 --> 01:24:28,820
graspable that we can say here we go

2156
01:24:32,799 --> 01:24:30,710
here's the trace evidence you know we've

2157
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:32,809
got these few radar pieces we've got

2158
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:35,210
these few examples of landings here and

2159
01:24:39,069 --> 01:24:37,010
there we have very few kind of sightings

2160
01:24:41,589 --> 01:24:39,079
and what we most often have is an

2161
01:24:43,569 --> 01:24:41,599
individual sighting as opposed to a kind

2162
01:24:45,339 --> 01:24:43,579
of collective or or a group sighting and

2163
01:24:47,279 --> 01:24:45,349
those group sightings do seem to be

2164
01:24:50,469 --> 01:24:47,289
about something very physical

2165
01:24:52,359 --> 01:24:50,479
manifesting in our environment but

2166
01:24:54,339 --> 01:24:52,369
whether it has that ability to move in

2167
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:54,349
and out of three-dimensional solid

2168
01:24:58,779 --> 01:24:56,570
matter and perhaps can participate in

2169
01:25:00,250 --> 01:24:58,789
and other types of reality that humans

2170
01:25:00,700 --> 01:25:00,260
themselves are just completely oblivious

2171
01:25:03,340 --> 01:25:00,710
to

2172
01:25:05,670 --> 01:25:03,350
let's face it we're a species living on

2173
01:25:09,190 --> 01:25:05,680
planet Earth that has a certain set of

2174
01:25:10,630 --> 01:25:09,200
sensory capacities that allow us to do

2175
01:25:11,980 --> 01:25:10,640
the things we do and participate in the

2176
01:25:13,420 --> 01:25:11,990
reality the way we do it and we don't

2177
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:13,430
even a handle have a handle fully on

2178
01:25:17,410 --> 01:25:14,930
that and I think most people don't even

2179
01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:17,420
know that the 90% of what you see when

2180
01:25:20,890 --> 01:25:19,280
you're looking is a pre-recorded event

2181
01:25:22,300 --> 01:25:20,900
happening inside of your brain no that's

2182
01:25:24,130 --> 01:25:22,310
your brain that's already you know

2183
01:25:25,930 --> 01:25:24,140
captured these visual images and your

2184
01:25:27,730 --> 01:25:25,940
fovea central is the focus of your oh

2185
01:25:29,170 --> 01:25:27,740
you're getting that 10% that's coming

2186
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:29,180
off of that but everything else is

2187
01:25:32,350 --> 01:25:30,530
playback and if everything else is

2188
01:25:33,850 --> 01:25:32,360
playback and you know and we're suddenly

2189
01:25:35,230 --> 01:25:33,860
confronted with things that we don't

2190
01:25:36,910 --> 01:25:35,240
understand that we've never seen before

2191
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:36,920
when we're trying to focus in on that

2192
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:38,810
well well maybe a brain just searches

2193
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:40,400
through the files like a dozen dreams

2194
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:42,170
and says well here I think what you're

2195
01:25:46,330 --> 01:25:44,210
looking at right now is this and it

2196
01:25:48,820 --> 01:25:46,340
conjures up a spaceman our conjures up a

2197
01:25:50,290 --> 01:25:48,830
UFO or could be a cigar-shaped one or a

2198
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:50,300
saucer depends on whatever might be in

2199
01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:52,250
your memory space still I wonder about

2200
01:25:58,810 --> 01:25:54,320
the stories that appear in the press and

2201
01:26:00,670 --> 01:25:58,820
how suddenly we get these waves of UFO

2202
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:00,680
and paranormal events you know when we

2203
01:26:03,910 --> 01:26:02,210
talk about those wave sightings right

2204
01:26:05,770 --> 01:26:03,920
and something gets reported in the news

2205
01:26:07,540 --> 01:26:05,780
and then suddenly there's a whole

2206
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:07,550
collection of those similar reports that

2207
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:09,530
unfolds a lot of these things are

2208
01:26:13,810 --> 01:26:11,090
planted where we're definitely in this

2209
01:26:15,340 --> 01:26:13,820
information age and and belly again kind

2210
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:15,350
of talks about that idea of the the role

2211
01:26:18,670 --> 01:26:16,970
you know the control system is about the

2212
01:26:20,230 --> 01:26:18,680
impact of the mythology you know that

2213
01:26:22,530 --> 01:26:20,240
that it's participating somehow in our

2214
01:26:24,730 --> 01:26:22,540
and our active mythology and it is

2215
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:24,740
constructing itself along the lines of

2216
01:26:28,660 --> 01:26:26,570
these very familiar narratives that we

2217
01:26:30,010 --> 01:26:28,670
pass on to each other and now we're busy

2218
01:26:32,020 --> 01:26:30,020
passing those narratives on in the

2219
01:26:33,850 --> 01:26:32,030
digital environment so to me it's not a

2220
01:26:35,710 --> 01:26:33,860
wonder that a lot of people see a lot of

2221
01:26:38,290 --> 01:26:35,720
similar stuff and I think we should

2222
01:26:40,660 --> 01:26:38,300
actually be investigating those pieces a

2223
01:26:41,620 --> 01:26:40,670
little bit more clearly and I know when

2224
01:26:44,830 --> 01:26:41,630
you had great Bishop bond you were

2225
01:26:46,540 --> 01:26:44,840
talking a bit about the DMT a piece and

2226
01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:46,550
some of the commonalities that are there

2227
01:26:49,810 --> 01:26:48,080
that that link up with abduction

2228
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:49,820
experiences I think we should be

2229
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:51,410
spending a lot more time understanding

2230
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:54,530
our our neuro chemistry how it is that

2231
01:26:58,750 --> 01:26:56,930
our brains actually work and how it's

2232
01:27:01,600 --> 01:26:58,760
responding perhaps to these anomalous

2233
01:27:04,270 --> 01:27:01,610
stimuli so maybe this has has been

2234
01:27:08,380 --> 01:27:04,280
speculated that UFOs another phenomenon

2235
01:27:10,510 --> 01:27:08,390
it's a case of misdirection like the

2236
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:10,520
magician says look over here

2237
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:12,890
but while you're looking over here the

2238
01:27:16,030 --> 01:27:14,239
real thing is happening

2239
01:27:20,050 --> 01:27:16,040
over there instead but you're not seeing

2240
01:27:21,940 --> 01:27:20,060
it you know there's a line that my wife

2241
01:27:22,900 --> 01:27:21,950
Faye uses all the time whenever she says

2242
01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:22,910
that you know people are being

2243
01:27:27,070 --> 01:27:24,800
distracted too much by something that's

2244
01:27:29,410 --> 01:27:27,080
superficial it's called dancing on the

2245
01:27:31,300 --> 01:27:29,420
stage of God you know that that really

2246
01:27:33,459 --> 01:27:31,310
we're missing what's actually really

2247
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:33,469
going on that discussion that debate

2248
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:35,210
about getting the signatures that that

2249
01:27:38,740 --> 01:27:37,520
that thing where we believe that a ship

2250
01:27:40,180 --> 01:27:38,750
crashed and the government knows all

2251
01:27:42,940 --> 01:27:40,190
about and they're hiding this technology

2252
01:27:45,670 --> 01:27:42,950
from us all of that to me is all red

2253
01:27:47,020 --> 01:27:45,680
herring material I think perhaps there's

2254
01:27:48,850 --> 01:27:47,030
something much more complex

2255
01:27:51,220 --> 01:27:48,860
sophisticated than that very well could

2256
01:27:53,229 --> 01:27:51,230
be very happy perhaps on one hand that

2257
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:53,239
were caught up in this this endless loop

2258
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:54,650
of trying to get the government to

2259
01:27:58,090 --> 01:27:56,090
disclose information that they probably

2260
01:28:00,459 --> 01:27:58,100
don't know anything about at all

2261
01:28:02,440 --> 01:28:00,469
so I think for on one hand maybe we're

2262
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:02,450
being distracted in some way and I think

2263
01:28:06,490 --> 01:28:04,610
out of that line of thinking you do get

2264
01:28:08,770 --> 01:28:06,500
you know maybe you know the Crypt of

2265
01:28:11,020 --> 01:28:08,780
terrestrial hypothesis or that thought

2266
01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:11,030
experiment from Mac Tonys that says well

2267
01:28:14,620 --> 01:28:12,560
maybe we need to start thinking along

2268
01:28:16,959 --> 01:28:14,630
different lines or I think as Chris

2269
01:28:18,100 --> 01:28:16,969
described with Greg Bishop again where

2270
01:28:19,390 --> 01:28:18,110
he says you know when you're told to

2271
01:28:20,620 --> 01:28:19,400
look in one direction you'll see great

2272
01:28:23,290 --> 01:28:20,630
things he turns around looks in the

2273
01:28:25,209 --> 01:28:23,300
other and I think we need to make those

2274
01:28:28,420 --> 01:28:25,219
anti structure pieces part of

2275
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:28,430
understanding the UFO experience as well

2276
01:28:32,470 --> 01:28:30,650
to that it's not a simplistic piece

2277
01:28:34,060 --> 01:28:32,480
about ships coming from another galaxy

2278
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:34,070
crashing there there's something else

2279
01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:36,650
going on that's much stranger than that

2280
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:38,239
there's just too much of it too much

2281
01:28:42,610 --> 01:28:40,730
variation it just doesn't make sense and

2282
01:28:44,740 --> 01:28:42,620
I think that universe is probably a lot

2283
01:28:47,380 --> 01:28:44,750
stranger than the simple narratives

2284
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:47,390
we've used to explain ufology so tell me

2285
01:28:52,110 --> 01:28:50,570
Byrne state what did if anything crash

2286
01:28:55,060 --> 01:28:52,120
at Roswell you know I don't think

2287
01:28:56,590 --> 01:28:55,070
anybody quite really knows about that I

2288
01:28:59,229 --> 01:28:56,600
think what's interesting about what

2289
01:29:01,180 --> 01:28:59,239
crashed at Roswell is the endless

2290
01:29:02,890 --> 01:29:01,190
amounts of different stories you know

2291
01:29:04,810 --> 01:29:02,900
whether it's Redferns maybe three or

2292
01:29:07,060 --> 01:29:04,820
four different versions of it that he's

2293
01:29:09,220 --> 01:29:07,070
constructed or Mosley's comments on the

2294
01:29:10,990 --> 01:29:09,230
flower tape that's there I don't think

2295
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:11,000
we can know I think what when we talk

2296
01:29:14,410 --> 01:29:13,040
about something like Roswell we've moved

2297
01:29:16,270 --> 01:29:14,420
past the discussion of evidence and

2298
01:29:18,580 --> 01:29:16,280
understanding what took place now we're

2299
01:29:20,590 --> 01:29:18,590
dealing with Roswell sociological

2300
01:29:22,990 --> 01:29:20,600
Roswell and we're dealing with the

2301
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:23,000
aftermath of of things like big

2302
01:29:27,319 --> 01:29:24,770
conventions and people wearing alien

2303
01:29:30,259 --> 01:29:27,329
costumes and tinfoil hats

2304
01:29:32,089 --> 01:29:30,269
and and people perhaps using it as a

2305
01:29:33,679 --> 01:29:32,099
different kind of a mechanism and I

2306
01:29:35,359 --> 01:29:33,689
think it's the wrong mechanism to be

2307
01:29:36,500 --> 01:29:35,369
honest I understand people need to have

2308
01:29:38,299 --> 01:29:36,510
a good laugh and entertain themselves

2309
01:29:39,829 --> 01:29:38,309
with it but I think what we're looking

2310
01:29:43,009 --> 01:29:39,839
at with Roswell now is more of the

2311
01:29:44,449 --> 01:29:43,019
effects of the idea of Roswell as and I

2312
01:29:47,089 --> 01:29:44,459
don't think we'll ever understand

2313
01:29:47,989 --> 01:29:47,099
anything about it at all hmm I couldn't

2314
01:29:49,790 --> 01:29:47,999
couldn't agree more

2315
01:29:52,549 --> 01:29:49,800
I think it's fair to say in this day and

2316
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age that will never ever discover the

2317
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secret about Roswell will just get

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tantalizing stories and by the way there

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2321
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2440
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james fox from chasing UFOs you're

2441
01:35:02,420 --> 01:34:57,119
listening to the podcast the gold

2442
01:35:08,010 --> 01:35:05,340
now maybe you've noticed that Chris's

2443
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:08,020
voice sounds a wee bit different maybe

2444
01:35:14,510 --> 01:35:10,810
not quite his raspy that's because Oh

2445
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:14,520
around ten days ago he gave up smoking

2446
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:17,290
congratulations brother Vietnam yeah

2447
01:35:25,860 --> 01:35:22,330
forty years in my lungs decided that it

2448
01:35:29,070 --> 01:35:25,870
was time Wow good for you that's a hard

2449
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:29,080
one I know I didn't give up it took a

2450
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:30,370
long time for me to give up I needed to

2451
01:35:33,690 --> 01:35:32,170
have a really good reason and remember

2452
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:33,700
when my dad died he hated the fact that

2453
01:35:37,140 --> 01:35:35,410
I smoked he had given it up years before

2454
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:37,150
and I that wasn't a reason for me to

2455
01:35:40,620 --> 01:35:38,650
give up but soon as I found out we were

2456
01:35:42,150 --> 01:35:40,630
pregnant with her daughter and I quit

2457
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:42,160
smoking that day and I haven't looked

2458
01:35:45,900 --> 01:35:42,730
back since

2459
01:35:47,550 --> 01:35:45,910
yep I'm doing doing really good I'm not

2460
01:35:50,130 --> 01:35:47,560
off nicotine I'm still chewing some gum

2461
01:35:52,500 --> 01:35:50,140
well occasionally and I've got my

2462
01:35:54,510 --> 01:35:52,510
e-cigarette if I really need to suck on

2463
01:35:57,660 --> 01:35:54,520
something but in terms of actually

2464
01:35:59,940 --> 01:35:57,670
lighting up and smoking carbon monoxide

2465
01:36:02,130 --> 01:35:59,950
and tar I've cut that out there was some

2466
01:36:04,830 --> 01:36:02,140
humps there but I'm over the hump and

2467
01:36:07,470 --> 01:36:04,840
feeling good I wanted to bring up a

2468
01:36:10,740 --> 01:36:07,480
point that we were starting to kind of

2469
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:10,750
veer towards and that was you know trace

2470
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:13,600
evidence and hard hard data science in

2471
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:15,970
one case that you don't hear about very

2472
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:19,090
much that has always really fascinated

2473
01:36:24,540 --> 01:36:22,810
me and if you talk to you know Ted

2474
01:36:27,420 --> 01:36:24,550
Phillips is widely considered to have

2475
01:36:29,370 --> 01:36:27,430
the the largest database of trace

2476
01:36:31,770 --> 01:36:29,380
evidence cases which I think is up seven

2477
01:36:35,820 --> 01:36:31,780
eight thousand at this point probably

2478
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:35,830
more but the 1971 delphos Kansas case

2479
01:36:41,100 --> 01:36:39,010
has always intrigued me as being an

2480
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:41,110
incredibly important case that is that

2481
01:36:45,330 --> 01:36:43,090
is largely overlooked by the mainstream

2482
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:45,340
in ufology we're talking about

2483
01:36:52,470 --> 01:36:48,730
fluorescing material that fluoresced for

2484
01:36:56,010 --> 01:36:52,480
many hours soil effects that were

2485
01:36:58,380 --> 01:36:56,020
demonstrated for years afterward it's

2486
01:36:59,970 --> 01:36:58,390
just an amazing case and I urge any of

2487
01:37:04,350 --> 01:36:59,980
our listeners who really would like to

2488
01:37:06,090 --> 01:37:04,360
dive into a any one of the best trace

2489
01:37:09,180 --> 01:37:06,100
evidence cases that is to my knowledge

2490
01:37:12,709 --> 01:37:09,190
has yet to be even closely even close to

2491
01:37:17,540 --> 01:37:12,719
being debunked is the 1971 delphos

2492
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:17,550
from Kansas de lph OS Kansas it's an

2493
01:37:22,729 --> 01:37:20,810
amazing case and and if we had

2494
01:37:26,420 --> 01:37:22,739
unfortunate doesn't seem like the land

2495
01:37:29,630 --> 01:37:26,430
very often now we just don't have the

2496
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:29,640
quality of you know landing cases that

2497
01:37:36,110 --> 01:37:32,570
that we had back in the 50s 60s and 70s

2498
01:37:37,610 --> 01:37:36,120
it seems that that the more popular the

2499
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:37,620
subject gets the more at arms-length

2500
01:37:42,590 --> 01:37:41,130
these these craft seemed to be so anyway

2501
01:37:44,990 --> 01:37:42,600
that's that that's a good little

2502
01:37:47,860 --> 01:37:45,000
research project for anybody out there

2503
01:37:50,540 --> 01:37:47,870
but we're so very stuck in the old

2504
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:50,550
theories about UFOs that have persisted

2505
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:52,170
for so many years that they're really

2506
01:37:57,979 --> 01:37:54,690
spaceships from some planetary system

2507
01:38:00,439 --> 01:37:57,989
may be orbiting another star so is there

2508
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:00,449
a way to ever work around that

2509
01:38:06,890 --> 01:38:05,489
prevailing view I think that it is it is

2510
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:06,900
a conundrum but without worrying and I

2511
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:08,250
and I'm actually I remember reading

2512
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:10,170
about the delphos case in the luminance

2513
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:14,250
that was there I'm not too sure about

2514
01:38:18,500 --> 01:38:16,800
where we go from here to be honest I

2515
01:38:20,270 --> 01:38:18,510
think we're kind of caught in a real rut

2516
01:38:22,459 --> 01:38:20,280
around how we think about it because

2517
01:38:25,220 --> 01:38:22,469
we're living with that old paradigm of

2518
01:38:26,689 --> 01:38:25,230
it's a craft from from outer space I

2519
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:26,699
think Chris brings up a very interesting

2520
01:38:31,790 --> 01:38:28,530
point that we don't seem to have those

2521
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:31,800
juicy chunky cases around that we could

2522
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:33,570
really sink I guess maybe a kind of a

2523
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:36,810
contemporary science in on it the case

2524
01:38:42,500 --> 01:38:39,810
for me that really boggles my brain that

2525
01:38:45,580 --> 01:38:42,510
that I go back to that we we discussed a

2526
01:38:49,100 --> 01:38:45,590
bit on the forums is the the peer

2527
01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:49,110
fortunato zanfretta abduction series

2528
01:38:54,020 --> 01:38:52,080
that one really trips me out entirely

2529
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:54,030
and it it also has some very good

2530
01:38:58,310 --> 01:38:56,489
physical evidence pieces there and it

2531
01:39:00,500 --> 01:38:58,320
would be just so wonderful to be able to

2532
01:39:02,689 --> 01:39:00,510
turn maybe contemporary science onto

2533
01:39:04,130 --> 01:39:02,699
that and see if we can change the way

2534
01:39:05,660 --> 01:39:04,140
that we think about it but I think first

2535
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:05,670
to do that we really need to honor the

2536
01:39:10,130 --> 01:39:08,250
witness in society and be able to have a

2537
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:10,140
different approach to them so that the

2538
01:39:13,580 --> 01:39:12,090
information that we're taking in from

2539
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:13,590
them is is treated with a little bit

2540
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:16,770
more care and compassion and assistance

2541
01:39:21,979 --> 01:39:19,050
really because you take a look at that

2542
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:21,989
how their lives descend after after they

2543
01:39:25,530 --> 01:39:23,850
report such incredible things and

2544
01:39:27,420 --> 01:39:25,540
unfortunate owes

2545
01:39:29,610 --> 01:39:27,430
case right ends and the zanfretta case

2546
01:39:30,930 --> 01:39:29,620
we even have a suicide that shows up in

2547
01:39:33,060 --> 01:39:30,940
the middle of that because somebody was

2548
01:39:34,590 --> 01:39:33,070
so affected by what they saw they're not

2549
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:34,600
even the main participants in it there

2550
01:39:37,890 --> 01:39:36,250
there's somebody that's that's driving

2551
01:39:40,410 --> 01:39:37,900
during the fourth abduction and seeing

2552
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:40,420
lights in the sky and it drove them to

2553
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:43,360
you to a pretty dark space why don't you

2554
01:39:47,250 --> 01:39:45,280
give us some of our new listeners a

2555
01:39:50,910 --> 01:39:47,260
thumbnail sketch of that particular

2556
01:39:53,790 --> 01:39:50,920
series of events because it isn't as

2557
01:39:56,250 --> 01:39:53,800
well known here in this country as it as

2558
01:39:59,160 --> 01:39:56,260
it is in the country of origin yes it's

2559
01:40:02,160 --> 01:39:59,170
a mind-blowing case from from 1978

2560
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:02,170
he's a 26 year old night watchman who

2561
01:40:07,950 --> 01:40:05,440
one night it goes out to investigate a

2562
01:40:09,390 --> 01:40:07,960
house and as he's there patrolling the

2563
01:40:11,490 --> 01:40:09,400
grounds with his flashlight he feels a

2564
01:40:14,190 --> 01:40:11,500
tap on his shoulder and standing behind

2565
01:40:17,250 --> 01:40:14,200
him is I think he describes it's at

2566
01:40:20,610 --> 01:40:17,260
least a 10 foot you know creature kind

2567
01:40:22,410 --> 01:40:20,620
of lizard like undulating green flesh

2568
01:40:24,090 --> 01:40:22,420
with a box on it smoke that is

2569
01:40:27,140 --> 01:40:24,100
supposedly breathing with pointy things

2570
01:40:30,630 --> 01:40:27,150
coming out the side of his face and

2571
01:40:34,590 --> 01:40:30,640
blasts and with a huge chunk of heat and

2572
01:40:36,420 --> 01:40:34,600
he's found following that by other night

2573
01:40:38,460 --> 01:40:36,430
watchmen come out and he find him lying

2574
01:40:40,260 --> 01:40:38,470
on the ground he bolts up with his gun

2575
01:40:42,570 --> 01:40:40,270
and flashlight ready to attack them they

2576
01:40:44,190 --> 01:40:42,580
tackle him grab him his body is still

2577
01:40:46,380 --> 01:40:44,200
warm even though it's freezing cold out

2578
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:46,390
it's one o'clock at night his body is

2579
01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:48,370
still super warm and this begins a

2580
01:40:53,730 --> 01:40:51,280
series of abductions that include these

2581
01:40:56,370 --> 01:40:53,740
kind of same pieces with the heat and

2582
01:40:57,960 --> 01:40:56,380
intensity in one case he is found where

2583
01:41:00,330 --> 01:40:57,970
he claims that the car was driving

2584
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:00,340
itself and he's crashed and and again

2585
01:41:05,610 --> 01:41:02,890
people show up on the scene there and

2586
01:41:07,290 --> 01:41:05,620
his the car is cooking you know it's

2587
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:07,300
like he'd been out in the Blazing Sun

2588
01:41:11,850 --> 01:41:08,850
and again it's like a rainy night

2589
01:41:14,790 --> 01:41:11,860
himself is is very very hot and dry

2590
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:14,800
despite the rain and the inside of the

2591
01:41:19,020 --> 01:41:17,170
cars like an oven these incidents seems

2592
01:41:20,670 --> 01:41:19,030
to continue until there's one incident

2593
01:41:22,290 --> 01:41:20,680
where were four people were also chasing

2594
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:22,300
you know the lights that they had seen

2595
01:41:25,980 --> 01:41:24,370
and he's transported on a motorcycle to

2596
01:41:28,770 --> 01:41:25,990
the top of a mountain that nobody saw

2597
01:41:31,290 --> 01:41:28,780
him you know get to and following that

2598
01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:31,300
incident the one person does does kill

2599
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:32,560
themselves

2600
01:41:37,620 --> 01:41:34,810
he goes under sodium pentathol and and

2601
01:41:39,399 --> 01:41:37,630
recounts all of these pieces people are

2602
01:41:41,229 --> 01:41:39,409
completely you know

2603
01:41:42,879 --> 01:41:41,239
cannot understand how these things could

2604
01:41:44,949 --> 01:41:42,889
be real and most people who investigate

2605
01:41:46,659 --> 01:41:44,959
him and interrogate him arrive at the

2606
01:41:48,399 --> 01:41:46,669
notion that these things must really be

2607
01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:48,409
happening in and he's telling people

2608
01:41:52,060 --> 01:41:50,449
that that they want him they want to

2609
01:41:53,799 --> 01:41:52,070
take him they want to take him away and

2610
01:41:55,419 --> 01:41:53,809
that he's not gonna come back and he

2611
01:41:56,799 --> 01:41:55,429
tell us the officers you know I don't

2612
01:41:58,600 --> 01:41:56,809
want to go I want to leave my family I

2613
01:42:00,339 --> 01:41:58,610
don't to leave everybody behind in one

2614
01:42:01,810 --> 01:42:00,349
incidence he is beamed up onto their

2615
01:42:02,949 --> 01:42:01,820
ship he's been if he sees the chequered

2616
01:42:04,719 --> 01:42:02,959
man right the man and the checkered

2617
01:42:07,149 --> 01:42:04,729
shirt at one incident and then he's

2618
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:07,159
transported up onto a cloud beamed into

2619
01:42:12,609 --> 01:42:09,530
a ship in the ship the same characters

2620
01:42:13,929 --> 01:42:12,619
are there they are showing him different

2621
01:42:15,790 --> 01:42:13,939
things there's like a frog man you know

2622
01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:15,800
the Frog man story there there's a frog

2623
01:42:18,339 --> 01:42:17,119
man in a tube that they say is one of

2624
01:42:20,319 --> 01:42:18,349
their enemies they've got a bird like

2625
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:20,329
alien they're at cave man and they tell

2626
01:42:24,069 --> 01:42:22,130
him that he's very special that they

2627
01:42:27,489 --> 01:42:24,079
need to use him and they give him a I

2628
01:42:29,949 --> 01:42:27,499
think a transparent sphere and inside of

2629
01:42:34,239 --> 01:42:29,959
it is the electric glowing pyramid and

2630
01:42:36,339 --> 01:42:34,249
they tell him that with this object you

2631
01:42:37,899 --> 01:42:36,349
will be able to explain to humans

2632
01:42:39,939 --> 01:42:37,909
you know how they how they live and

2633
01:42:41,229 --> 01:42:39,949
what's really going on and in their

2634
01:42:44,169 --> 01:42:41,239
lives and they they said they're from

2635
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:44,179
the planet T tonyia now outside some of

2636
01:42:48,759 --> 01:42:46,489
the actual cases where they find his

2637
01:42:51,969 --> 01:42:48,769
body and near his car there are actual

2638
01:42:53,620 --> 01:42:51,979
physical footprints that were I think 20

2639
01:42:55,089 --> 01:42:53,630
inches long by 10 inches they're

2640
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:55,099
enormous you can see pictures of them

2641
01:43:00,909 --> 01:42:58,400
online it's absolutely outstanding as

2642
01:43:02,649 --> 01:43:00,919
far as a case goes it's very disturbing

2643
01:43:04,029 --> 01:43:02,659
and debilitating and I think for him as

2644
01:43:05,589 --> 01:43:04,039
an individual over the course of about

2645
01:43:07,239 --> 01:43:05,599
two and a half years he had no less than

2646
01:43:10,449 --> 01:43:07,249
I think at least six or seven incidents

2647
01:43:12,729 --> 01:43:10,459
with these same aliens who told him at

2648
01:43:15,219 --> 01:43:12,739
one point were coming back and greater

2649
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:15,229
numbers which never really seemed to

2650
01:43:18,370 --> 01:43:16,639
happen but he did have that series of

2651
01:43:19,959 --> 01:43:18,380
incidents across two years and it seems

2652
01:43:21,429 --> 01:43:19,969
to take us away from the idea of just

2653
01:43:23,049 --> 01:43:21,439
something that's delusional or a

2654
01:43:24,819 --> 01:43:23,059
schizophrenic episode it seems to be

2655
01:43:25,779 --> 01:43:24,829
something much more concrete and

2656
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:25,789
specific doesn't it

2657
01:43:30,129 --> 01:43:28,130
of course you can never trust et they

2658
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:30,139
promise they'll come back and they never

2659
01:43:35,739 --> 01:43:33,530
do they talk about possible future

2660
01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:35,749
events and they never occur they're

2661
01:43:40,959 --> 01:43:38,449
inconsistent from one to the other but

2662
01:43:43,629 --> 01:43:40,969
the problem here is the naive nature of

2663
01:43:46,390 --> 01:43:43,639
the acceptance of what these higher

2664
01:43:47,739 --> 01:43:46,400
beings allegedly tell you well one

2665
01:43:49,959 --> 01:43:47,749
begins to wonder you know are all these

2666
01:43:51,489 --> 01:43:49,969
the stories that seems to be in conflict

2667
01:43:52,990 --> 01:43:51,499
with each other nothing really does seem

2668
01:43:54,910 --> 01:43:53,000
to sync up I think what

2669
01:43:57,220 --> 01:43:54,920
syncs up as it syncs up in the minds of

2670
01:43:58,930 --> 01:43:57,230
maybe the paranormal investigator who's

2671
01:44:00,700 --> 01:43:58,940
decided this is the theory I'm gonna

2672
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work with and I'm gonna force all the

2673
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evidence into this slot and I'm gonna

2674
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shave off the parts that don't seem to

2675
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:06,320
make sense but when you talk to perhaps

2676
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more rigorous investigators like

2677
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somebody like Chris Bukowski

2678
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you know I'm reading his his book

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abductions and aliens the what's really

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going on right now and there he

2681
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identifies you know there's no common

2682
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theme there's no common thread it's a

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bunch of lies paradoxes weird statements

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2685
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any time make any sense of this

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phenomenon I mean there are so many

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permutations some of the excuses used by

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investigators is that sure you'll have

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different types of craft because maybe

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2756
01:48:33,740 --> 01:48:29,480
well dissection stalker has some very

2757
01:48:35,900 --> 01:48:33,750
elaborate posts that I'm trying to make

2758
01:48:37,730 --> 01:48:35,910
heads or tails of them in terms of

2759
01:48:40,220 --> 01:48:37,740
trying to come up with a punchy question

2760
01:48:42,290 --> 01:48:40,230
but one of the things that he's really

2761
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:42,300
interested in is this whole idea of a

2762
01:48:47,630 --> 01:48:43,770
space-time continuum

2763
01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:47,640
knowledge base like some sort of other

2764
01:48:52,370 --> 01:48:49,890
was out there that's required to

2765
01:48:55,970 --> 01:48:52,380
complete some sort of like educational

2766
01:48:58,820 --> 01:48:55,980
process let's say or you've read read

2767
01:49:01,130 --> 01:48:58,830
through the questions I I really I'm not

2768
01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:01,140
sure exactly how to sum all this up into

2769
01:49:06,590 --> 01:49:03,690
a question basically he points out when

2770
01:49:10,010 --> 01:49:06,600
Greg Bishop was on recently that that

2771
01:49:11,540 --> 01:49:10,020
perhaps these phenomena he says

2772
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:11,550
phenomenon singular but I think

2773
01:49:16,940 --> 01:49:13,410
phenomena is something common to the

2774
01:49:21,530 --> 01:49:16,950
planet like wind or it's it's some sort

2775
01:49:23,450 --> 01:49:21,540
of has an elemental presence and that it

2776
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:23,460
may have some sort of internal component

2777
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:24,930
now we've we've touched on this now

2778
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:28,290
already in the show but but he he wants

2779
01:49:31,430 --> 01:49:29,970
you to elaborate pontificate and give us

2780
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:31,440
your best understandings that you can

2781
01:49:38,030 --> 01:49:33,930
muster at this space-time continuing

2782
01:49:40,730 --> 01:49:38,040
element on this he calls those other

2783
01:49:43,580 --> 01:49:40,740
things like the keys to these kingdoms

2784
01:49:45,890 --> 01:49:43,590
yeah so I'm not exactly sure what he's

2785
01:49:48,710 --> 01:49:45,900
getting at but why don't you try to

2786
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:48,720
address this particular unary and

2787
01:49:54,410 --> 01:49:51,690
construct that were somehow connected

2788
01:49:56,730 --> 01:49:54,420
within it's it's it seems symbiotic it

2789
01:50:00,840 --> 01:49:56,740
seems that it needs us as much as we

2790
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:00,850
need it and for what purpose possibly is

2791
01:50:08,820 --> 01:50:04,570
it is it for growth is it for deeper

2792
01:50:11,270 --> 01:50:08,830
understanding is it for some sort of

2793
01:50:14,190 --> 01:50:11,280
educational thing what's your thoughts

2794
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:14,200
well we've heard that phrase repeatedly

2795
01:50:19,260 --> 01:50:16,810
on the podcast UFOs are here to make us

2796
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:19,270
think and and I and I do think that that

2797
01:50:24,540 --> 01:50:21,610
really is perhaps a the best that we can

2798
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:24,550
take out of the UFO experience I really

2799
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:26,650
loved Gregg's comment but the idea that

2800
01:50:31,020 --> 01:50:28,690
that whatever it is could be as common

2801
01:50:32,340 --> 01:50:31,030
as the wind and and that and and when

2802
01:50:34,590 --> 01:50:32,350
you start to connect some of these other

2803
01:50:36,930 --> 01:50:34,600
new strains and thoughts that are taking

2804
01:50:39,630 --> 01:50:36,940
place in ufology I think there's a lot

2805
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:39,640
more a deeper appreciation to what's the

2806
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:42,850
role of neuro chemistry inside the the

2807
01:50:47,580 --> 01:50:45,130
UFO experience specifically the the

2808
01:50:49,620 --> 01:50:47,590
abduction experience there seems to be

2809
01:50:52,740 --> 01:50:49,630
some very specific patterns that take

2810
01:50:54,450 --> 01:50:52,750
place it includes the idea of fear fear

2811
01:50:56,670 --> 01:50:54,460
seems to induce maybe a spontaneous

2812
01:50:58,080 --> 01:50:56,680
bursts from the the pineal gland all

2813
01:50:59,760 --> 01:50:58,090
sorts of chemistry starts floating

2814
01:51:02,850 --> 01:50:59,770
through our body and the idea of a

2815
01:51:04,230 --> 01:51:02,860
spontaneous DMT burst I think there's

2816
01:51:05,670 --> 01:51:04,240
something we should be investigating

2817
01:51:08,310 --> 01:51:05,680
that because we know that when we look

2818
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:08,320
at those those people who have taken

2819
01:51:11,730 --> 01:51:10,480
your Strassmann experiments on DMT and I

2820
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:11,740
think the one character that that's

2821
01:51:14,700 --> 01:51:12,970
doing some very interesting writing

2822
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:14,710
about this his name is think it's David

2823
01:51:19,290 --> 01:51:17,440
Luke he's coming out of England and he's

2824
01:51:20,610 --> 01:51:19,300
really consolidating all this kind of

2825
01:51:22,460 --> 01:51:20,620
work into some very interesting

2826
01:51:25,890 --> 01:51:22,470
discussion around the connection between

2827
01:51:28,290 --> 01:51:25,900
paranormal and pharmacology and and in

2828
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:28,300
the neuro chemistry experience we know

2829
01:51:32,130 --> 01:51:30,610
from the DMT users that they see four

2830
01:51:34,170 --> 01:51:32,140
types of characters I think there's the

2831
01:51:35,550 --> 01:51:34,180
Machine Elves there's the grey aliens

2832
01:51:36,780 --> 01:51:35,560
there's the the Reptoids that are

2833
01:51:38,580 --> 01:51:36,790
covered with jewels and I think there's

2834
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:38,590
like some toasty Brown characters or

2835
01:51:43,110 --> 01:51:40,930
something like that so you have to ask

2836
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:43,120
yourself why is that happening is this

2837
01:51:47,580 --> 01:51:45,010
something about our brain are we being

2838
01:51:49,380 --> 01:51:47,590
turned into towards and being able to

2839
01:51:51,870 --> 01:51:49,390
see an experience that maybe is very

2840
01:51:53,310 --> 01:51:51,880
common but as part of our planetary

2841
01:51:54,930 --> 01:51:53,320
experience part of our planetary

2842
01:51:56,970 --> 01:51:54,940
existence and and the drug is just

2843
01:51:59,580 --> 01:51:56,980
unlocking that door and allows us now to

2844
01:52:02,010 --> 01:51:59,590
be participants in this environment that

2845
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:02,020
normally is secluded from us because of

2846
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:03,850
the nature of our chemistry and how our

2847
01:52:07,470 --> 01:52:05,530
perceptions work that idea the

2848
01:52:09,729 --> 01:52:07,480
space-time continuum when we think of

2849
01:52:11,350 --> 01:52:09,739
the hallucinogenic experience maybe

2850
01:52:14,319 --> 01:52:11,360
writings of Terence Mckenna and others

2851
01:52:15,549 --> 01:52:14,329
who who follows the entheogen role in

2852
01:52:17,379 --> 01:52:15,559
our lives you know whether it's that

2853
01:52:19,540 --> 01:52:17,389
shamanistic role or is that idea of the

2854
01:52:21,489 --> 01:52:19,550
transformative collective experience the

2855
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:21,499
fact that people who are share for

2856
01:52:26,229 --> 01:52:23,570
example in in certain drugs and do it

2857
01:52:28,540 --> 01:52:26,239
together do share the visions as well

2858
01:52:30,489 --> 01:52:28,550
too at the same time certainly these all

2859
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:30,499
seem to be clues that are leading us

2860
01:52:34,899 --> 01:52:33,050
towards some other kind of understanding

2861
01:52:36,359 --> 01:52:34,909
of what might these you know those

2862
01:52:38,379 --> 01:52:36,369
elementals you know that's what hi anak

2863
01:52:40,089 --> 01:52:38,389
refine at the end of the day was that

2864
01:52:41,169 --> 01:52:40,099
yeah I think they're elementals I think

2865
01:52:42,970 --> 01:52:41,179
they've always been with us there's

2866
01:52:47,379 --> 01:52:42,980
something that's just find that cloak

2867
01:52:49,299 --> 01:52:47,389
Valley finally got through to him well

2868
01:52:50,799 --> 01:52:49,309
here's here's one here's an idea just

2869
01:52:52,930 --> 01:52:50,809
kind of came to me as you were talking

2870
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:52,940
perhaps there's some sort of trigger

2871
01:53:00,220 --> 01:52:56,480
mechanism that something other has the

2872
01:53:02,319 --> 01:53:00,230
ability to create some sort of trigger

2873
01:53:04,509 --> 01:53:02,329
mechanism or utilise a trigger mechanism

2874
01:53:07,839 --> 01:53:04,519
that inadvertently

2875
01:53:10,120 --> 01:53:07,849
or by design allows our own bodies to

2876
01:53:13,839 --> 01:53:10,130
dump naturally produce DMT into our

2877
01:53:20,979 --> 01:53:13,849
systems which then facilitate and appear

2878
01:53:22,810 --> 01:53:20,989
to manifest some sort of hallucinogen

2879
01:53:25,330 --> 01:53:22,820
tearing away part of the veil allowing

2880
01:53:27,850 --> 01:53:25,340
us to see something or perhaps it's it's

2881
01:53:30,549 --> 01:53:27,860
exposing you know a covered-up ability

2882
01:53:33,759 --> 01:53:30,559
that we have to a perception or perhaps

2883
01:53:36,310 --> 01:53:33,769
it's actually creating an effect within

2884
01:53:38,890 --> 01:53:36,320
our mind and sort of creating this this

2885
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:38,900
weird cause and effect loop I really do

2886
01:53:42,489 --> 01:53:40,730
think that it is something along those

2887
01:53:45,459 --> 01:53:42,499
lines and that if we can perhaps maybe

2888
01:53:47,439 --> 01:53:45,469
separate some of the really clinical

2889
01:53:48,939 --> 01:53:47,449
experiences where perhaps people are in

2890
01:53:51,399 --> 01:53:48,949
fact schizophrenic are in fact

2891
01:53:52,989 --> 01:53:51,409
delusional ends are claiming alien

2892
01:53:55,870 --> 01:53:52,999
abduction I think if we can separate

2893
01:53:59,290 --> 01:53:55,880
those from these other very similar

2894
01:54:01,810 --> 01:53:59,300
hallucinatory schizoid events we do seem

2895
01:54:03,910 --> 01:54:01,820
to see those pieces happen first there

2896
01:54:06,100 --> 01:54:03,920
is the fear something is introduced fear

2897
01:54:08,290 --> 01:54:06,110
inside of the environment fear seems to

2898
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:08,300
create a physiological response inside

2899
01:54:13,270 --> 01:54:11,210
of us and we enter into that panic

2900
01:54:15,430 --> 01:54:13,280
attack that hallucinogenic experience if

2901
01:54:17,859 --> 01:54:15,440
people ever had either of those before

2902
01:54:19,719 --> 01:54:17,869
they know they that reality shifts

2903
01:54:22,660 --> 01:54:19,729
reality breaks and their entire

2904
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:22,670
experience of reality alters and I think

2905
01:54:26,290 --> 01:54:24,800
perhaps something's being lifted yeah at

2906
01:54:28,390 --> 01:54:26,300
that moment that does allow us to

2907
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:28,400
participate in something else and I do

2908
01:54:32,590 --> 01:54:30,290
believe there is an external stimulus of

2909
01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:32,600
some sort whatever that is but I do

2910
01:54:37,450 --> 01:54:34,850
think it's inducing that kind of an

2911
01:54:40,390 --> 01:54:37,460
experience for us again I you know we

2912
01:54:44,110 --> 01:54:40,400
have to be careful to to lump the

2913
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:44,120
reaction of particular witness into

2914
01:54:48,580 --> 01:54:45,890
particular emotional categories because

2915
01:54:50,950 --> 01:54:48,590
I've had like let's say multiple witness

2916
01:54:53,740 --> 01:54:50,960
case where most people actually are in a

2917
01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:53,750
state of wonder and excitement and maybe

2918
01:54:58,090 --> 01:54:55,730
one or two are in a state of fear and

2919
01:55:01,000 --> 01:54:58,100
panic and paranoia so it seems to

2920
01:55:03,459 --> 01:55:01,010
separate out into you tend to revert to

2921
01:55:05,620 --> 01:55:03,469
primal sort of emotional states whether

2922
01:55:08,709 --> 01:55:05,630
it's fear whether it's elation whether

2923
01:55:10,510 --> 01:55:08,719
it's wonder whether it's paranoia but

2924
01:55:12,970 --> 01:55:10,520
they seem to be there doesn't really

2925
01:55:14,470 --> 01:55:12,980
seem to be much middle ground um you

2926
01:55:16,750 --> 01:55:14,480
know occasionally you'll get somebody

2927
01:55:18,130 --> 01:55:16,760
that looks at and goes yeah so what you

2928
01:55:20,919 --> 01:55:18,140
know it's a big ship hang in there big

2929
01:55:23,770 --> 01:55:20,929
deal you know I mean those are the rare

2930
01:55:26,439 --> 01:55:23,780
once but I have encountered people in

2931
01:55:28,540 --> 01:55:26,449
groups where some people said yeah I saw

2932
01:55:31,120 --> 01:55:28,550
it wasn't a big deal well yeah the space

2933
01:55:32,590 --> 01:55:31,130
brothers came down to say hello you know

2934
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:32,600
and it was like nothing it's like maybe

2935
01:55:35,919 --> 01:55:34,370
a school bus just drove by or something

2936
01:55:38,260 --> 01:55:35,929
and while other people are having these

2937
01:55:41,050 --> 01:55:38,270
life-altering experiences where they're

2938
01:55:44,590 --> 01:55:41,060
there they think they've been selected

2939
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for some special message or other people

2940
01:55:51,959 --> 01:55:46,699
are so in fear that they go hide under a

2941
01:55:56,229 --> 01:55:51,969
car in one case so maybe it is the

2942
01:55:57,850 --> 01:55:56,239
individual and the quality and in the

2943
01:56:01,120 --> 01:55:57,860
quality of the emotional response that

2944
01:56:04,439 --> 01:56:01,130
that again maybe a play here that could

2945
01:56:07,060 --> 01:56:04,449
be crucial for further understanding I

2946
01:56:08,979 --> 01:56:07,070
agree completely with that I mean I know

2947
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:08,989
from even just in the Ouija experience

2948
01:56:12,610 --> 01:56:11,090
some people would get freaked out some

2949
01:56:15,430 --> 01:56:12,620
would think was very normal the one

2950
01:56:18,100 --> 01:56:15,440
person had a complete total breakdown in

2951
01:56:19,959 --> 01:56:18,110
front of us and was in hysterical fits

2952
01:56:22,360 --> 01:56:19,969
and screaming and could and felt like

2953
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reality had broken for her in that

2954
01:56:25,660 --> 01:56:23,870
moment and I took us hours to calm that

2955
01:56:27,459 --> 01:56:25,670
individual down so I do think that

2956
01:56:29,500 --> 01:56:27,469
perhaps either biologically or

2957
01:56:31,330 --> 01:56:29,510
neurochemically we might all be wired

2958
01:56:33,850 --> 01:56:31,340
differently I would be concerned about

2959
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:33,860
that idea feeling selected I think that

2960
01:56:37,930 --> 01:56:36,650
path perhaps lies is a dangerous route

2961
01:56:39,939 --> 01:56:37,940
to go I don't think people should be

2962
01:56:41,070 --> 01:56:39,949
thinking like that but perhaps just

2963
01:56:43,120 --> 01:56:41,080
because of the way that we are

2964
01:56:45,850 --> 01:56:43,130
biologically we're all biologically very

2965
01:56:47,740 --> 01:56:45,860
very different that in fact the effects

2966
01:56:49,270 --> 01:56:47,750
might range dramatically for each

2967
01:56:52,419 --> 01:56:49,280
individual when confronted with these

2968
01:56:54,340 --> 01:56:52,429
rare anomalous stimuli yeah

2969
01:56:55,870 --> 01:56:54,350
someone with worthiness issues that all

2970
01:56:58,540 --> 01:56:55,880
of a sudden has been selected by the

2971
01:57:00,430 --> 01:56:58,550
space brothers that could do you know

2972
01:57:04,240 --> 01:57:00,440
that could actually be psychologically

2973
01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:04,250
very healing for them because then all

2974
01:57:07,930 --> 01:57:05,690
of a sudden instead of you know having

2975
01:57:10,390 --> 01:57:07,940
self worthiness issues all of a sudden

2976
01:57:13,270 --> 01:57:10,400
they feel like they're worthy you know

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obviously that can you know that can go

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to a place that's unhealthy and they

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start cults and do group suicides and

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that sort of thing but but there could

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be a positive upside or maybe you

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other burnt state i think i sided with

3099
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the notion that I think it's pretty

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indifferent and at agnostic for the most

3101
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part it's it's our individual response

3102
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that seems to build it into into

3103
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something else altogether and and just

3104
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to pick up on the point Chris had in

3105
02:02:45,770 --> 02:02:43,709
that last segment about the idea of you

3106
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know our coping mechanisms era Kowski

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and his abductions in aliens book talks

3108
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about certain individuals who in the

3109
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middle of their schizophrenic breakdown

3110
02:02:56,600 --> 02:02:54,869
believe they're having complete

3111
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communion with aliens they're seeing

3112
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them they're walking with them they're

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taking them to school they're helping

3114
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them study for for tests etc and and

3115
02:03:05,449 --> 02:03:02,939
what you're seeing inside those moments

3116
02:03:07,069 --> 02:03:05,459
from a clinical perspective is is this

3117
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person has created a coping mechanism

3118
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inside their own mind in order to deal

3119
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with the situation and that's why I

3120
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think it's really important that we

3121
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:14,849
treat witnesses very carefully because

3122
02:03:19,549 --> 02:03:17,010
in some cases I think witnesses need

3123
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specific types of medical attention they

3124
02:03:24,259 --> 02:03:22,260
don't need hypnotic regression they need

3125
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you know a psychiatrist that they can

3126
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perhaps talk to you who is not going to

3127
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judge their experience and perhaps me

3128
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able to help them sort out the idea of

3129
02:03:34,250 --> 02:03:32,070
what's happening in their minds versus

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what's happening in reality no no with a

3131
02:03:37,580 --> 02:03:36,149
they still want to reserve though that

3132
02:03:39,620 --> 02:03:37,590
that opportunity that there are in fact

3133
02:03:41,030 --> 02:03:39,630
real things that are happening like the

3134
02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:41,040
crédit case which i think is a very

3135
02:03:44,990 --> 02:03:43,050
disturbing and complex case it seems to

3136
02:03:47,479 --> 02:03:45,000
point towards in fact actual contact

3137
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with with another alien being of some

3138
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sort and I think in in those cases we

3139
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also need to have that care and concern

3140
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for that individual because they're

3141
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negotiating something but perhaps very

3142
02:03:59,360 --> 02:03:57,120
few people on earth I've ever negotiated

3143
02:04:01,310 --> 02:03:59,370
then and we need to perhaps get a better

3144
02:04:02,780 --> 02:04:01,320
handle on what's actually happening I

3145
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think there's a lot of learning that we

3146
02:04:07,160 --> 02:04:04,050
could be gaining that that we're missing

3147
02:04:08,600 --> 02:04:07,170
out on altogether with those events yeah

3148
02:04:12,410 --> 02:04:08,610
and I'd be very careful throw in

3149
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psychiatry into this particular realm

3150
02:04:17,870 --> 02:04:15,480
I would suggest more of a counselor of

3151
02:04:21,050 --> 02:04:17,880
psychology approach as opposed to one

3152
02:04:24,879 --> 02:04:21,060
that that's reliant on on on drugs

3153
02:04:27,350 --> 02:04:24,889
although if someone has obviously has a

3154
02:04:29,629 --> 02:04:27,360
incredibly traumatic experience then

3155
02:04:32,840 --> 02:04:29,639
then obviously then some sort of mood

3156
02:04:34,840 --> 02:04:32,850
stabilizing could probably help but but

3157
02:04:39,490 --> 02:04:34,850
I think for people that talk through

3158
02:04:43,610 --> 02:04:39,500
these things he is really important and

3159
02:04:45,770 --> 02:04:43,620
early on in my investigative process two

3160
02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:45,780
or three years in where I was talking to

3161
02:04:51,320 --> 02:04:48,810
just you know at this point probably

3162
02:04:53,510 --> 02:04:51,330
several hundred people I realized that

3163
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that what people were gaining from me

3164
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was a sympathetic ear someone that they

3165
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could actually talk to about this stuff

3166
02:05:07,010 --> 02:05:03,110
and get get certain emotional issues

3167
02:05:08,390 --> 02:05:07,020
dealt with in an in a safe environment

3168
02:05:11,510 --> 02:05:08,400
to someone that was not going to judge

3169
02:05:12,860 --> 02:05:11,520
them and and question their sanity but

3170
02:05:15,260 --> 02:05:12,870
someone that was there to listen and

3171
02:05:17,450 --> 02:05:15,270
possibly give them some feedback and now

3172
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the whole reason for instance that I was

3173
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asked to come up to the Sherman ranch

3174
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was for that very purpose for instance

3175
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for the that infamous skinwalker ranch

3176
02:05:28,040 --> 02:05:25,980
case when you start dealing with

3177
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paradigm-shifting events and the effect

3178
02:05:31,129 --> 02:05:29,489
they have on people they don't know

3179
02:05:34,010 --> 02:05:31,139
where to turn they don't know who to

3180
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talk to and they're very you know all

3181
02:05:40,490 --> 02:05:38,610
these social blockages are raised around

3182
02:05:44,060 --> 02:05:40,500
them and they they have a real hard time

3183
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coming up with some recourse where they

3184
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can turn who they can turn to and I

3185
02:05:49,550 --> 02:05:47,699
think getting it off their chest being

3186
02:05:51,260 --> 02:05:49,560
able to talk about it being able to to

3187
02:05:53,050 --> 02:05:51,270
be in a judgemental space with somebody

3188
02:05:55,150 --> 02:05:53,060
who they trust is

3189
02:05:59,500 --> 02:05:55,160
is the most important thing then you can

3190
02:06:01,360 --> 02:05:59,510
maybe talk about stabilizing their moods

3191
02:06:03,970 --> 02:06:01,370
and you know putting them on Prozac

3192
02:06:05,260 --> 02:06:03,980
whatever it is that this people do yeah

3193
02:06:07,150 --> 02:06:05,270
I'm not a fan of that kind of

3194
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:07,160
pharmacology at all either in terms of

3195
02:06:10,720 --> 02:06:08,810
you know regulating people that way but

3196
02:06:12,580 --> 02:06:10,730
can also recognize that some of these

3197
02:06:14,560 --> 02:06:12,590
experiences can put people in such

3198
02:06:16,570 --> 02:06:14,570
incredible states where they're just

3199
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:16,580
beside themselves and I think we see

3200
02:06:20,080 --> 02:06:18,410
this often in the literature where an

3201
02:06:22,240 --> 02:06:20,090
individual said something very fantastic

3202
02:06:24,130 --> 02:06:22,250
happened to them and then it seems as we

3203
02:06:26,650 --> 02:06:24,140
look at them as they go on they start to

3204
02:06:28,870 --> 02:06:26,660
descend even further into their flights

3205
02:06:31,390 --> 02:06:28,880
of fancy and now they really are in

3206
02:06:33,990 --> 02:06:31,400
trouble and I'm spending time with a

3207
02:06:36,400 --> 02:06:34,000
friend of mine two major schizophrenic

3208
02:06:39,070 --> 02:06:36,410
breakdowns and the second time it

3209
02:06:41,080 --> 02:06:39,080
happened he was with his friends and in

3210
02:06:42,730 --> 02:06:41,090
a city of people that knew him and we

3211
02:06:45,340 --> 02:06:42,740
all agreed together we were not gonna

3212
02:06:48,280 --> 02:06:45,350
let him get drugged again and be put on

3213
02:06:50,290 --> 02:06:48,290
these terrible terrible things that just

3214
02:06:51,730 --> 02:06:50,300
wracked his body and destroyed him and

3215
02:06:53,500 --> 02:06:51,740
we decided we would engage and talk

3216
02:06:55,630 --> 02:06:53,510
therapy and we did 24-hour

3217
02:06:57,430 --> 02:06:55,640
round-the-clock attention with him and

3218
02:06:59,980 --> 02:06:57,440
and being with him for some people was

3219
02:07:02,710 --> 02:06:59,990
very difficult their experience was very

3220
02:07:04,840 --> 02:07:02,720
similar to as if they had seen the alien

3221
02:07:06,910 --> 02:07:04,850
because talking to someone in an altered

3222
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:06,920
state whose reality is very very

3223
02:07:11,200 --> 02:07:08,570
different is I think very shocking for

3224
02:07:12,940 --> 02:07:11,210
people and I can see how you can pull

3225
02:07:14,950 --> 02:07:12,950
other people into your delusion you can

3226
02:07:16,300 --> 02:07:14,960
help break their reality down too but I

3227
02:07:17,860 --> 02:07:16,310
think if you're sane enough and have a

3228
02:07:19,870 --> 02:07:17,870
handle on things I found talking with

3229
02:07:22,150 --> 02:07:19,880
them to be very exciting actually and

3230
02:07:23,740 --> 02:07:22,160
very interesting and very sad but I do

3231
02:07:26,410 --> 02:07:23,750
know that it was through our constant

3232
02:07:28,780 --> 02:07:26,420
conversations that he was able to find a

3233
02:07:30,970 --> 02:07:28,790
way back to the world that we were all

3234
02:07:32,590 --> 02:07:30,980
participating in and get over the thing

3235
02:07:34,690 --> 02:07:32,600
that was troubling him he was engaging

3236
02:07:36,340 --> 02:07:34,700
in some pretty hectic stuff man he was

3237
02:07:37,900 --> 02:07:36,350
showing me what was going on in the

3238
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:37,910
basement he was building bombs out of

3239
02:07:41,470 --> 02:07:40,010
cardboard boxes and different things and

3240
02:07:43,050 --> 02:07:41,480
then he took me to this one room it was

3241
02:07:45,040 --> 02:07:43,060
like an old apartment house downtown

3242
02:07:47,020 --> 02:07:45,050
Toronto and there was a series of

3243
02:07:49,360 --> 02:07:47,030
different kind of strange wallpapers and

3244
02:07:50,770 --> 02:07:49,370
he had set up a chair in the center with

3245
02:07:53,290 --> 02:07:50,780
a light shining on it and he said this

3246
02:07:55,780 --> 02:07:53,300
is the interrogation room you have to

3247
02:07:57,940 --> 02:07:55,790
know that he was in Turkey himself and I

3248
02:07:59,860 --> 02:07:57,950
think that's part of the experience

3249
02:08:01,600 --> 02:07:59,870
these altered experiences as our brain

3250
02:08:04,420 --> 02:08:01,610
is allowed to split we can't hear voices

3251
02:08:05,860 --> 02:08:04,430
we can't talk to ourselves and sometimes

3252
02:08:06,430 --> 02:08:05,870
that gets out of hand and creates all

3253
02:08:07,720 --> 02:08:06,440
new

3254
02:08:09,430 --> 02:08:07,730
personalities and I do believe the

3255
02:08:11,260 --> 02:08:09,440
trauma of any kind of traumatic

3256
02:08:12,850 --> 02:08:11,270
experience can produce such effects

3257
02:08:15,250 --> 02:08:12,860
whether it's the UFO experience or it's

3258
02:08:17,800 --> 02:08:15,260
watching somebody die I think that those

3259
02:08:19,090 --> 02:08:17,810
traumas need that level of counseling

3260
02:08:21,070 --> 02:08:19,100
that Chris is talking about where we

3261
02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:21,080
better give people real care and then

3262
02:08:24,850 --> 02:08:23,090
you do have true chemical imbalances

3263
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:24,860
that need to be dealt with directly and

3264
02:08:28,660 --> 02:08:26,810
you know pharmacology has come a long

3265
02:08:30,910 --> 02:08:28,670
way in that regard but we really have to

3266
02:08:33,220 --> 02:08:30,920
be careful in the paranormal realm or

3267
02:08:34,959 --> 02:08:33,230
the youthful logical realm we really

3268
02:08:38,200 --> 02:08:34,969
have to be extremely careful about

3269
02:08:40,660 --> 02:08:38,210
maintaining a systematic approach of how

3270
02:08:42,790 --> 02:08:40,670
to counsel people and how to refer them

3271
02:08:43,660 --> 02:08:42,800
on to professionals that are that are

3272
02:08:45,670 --> 02:08:43,670
going to deal with them in a

3273
02:08:47,290 --> 02:08:45,680
non-judgmental fashion and those are few

3274
02:08:48,939 --> 02:08:47,300
and far between I think a lot of people

3275
02:08:51,540 --> 02:08:48,949
have abduction experiences at very great

3276
02:08:53,740 --> 02:08:51,550
difficulty finding that person who is

3277
02:08:55,720 --> 02:08:53,750
non-judgmental and will engage in that

3278
02:08:57,820 --> 02:08:55,730
talk therapy with them of course the

3279
02:09:00,550 --> 02:08:57,830
question of the ages here Byrne state is

3280
02:09:03,550 --> 02:09:00,560
with abductions what is really happening

3281
02:09:05,709 --> 02:09:03,560
to these people that is a really really

3282
02:09:08,229 --> 02:09:05,719
tricky question Jean because I think

3283
02:09:12,060 --> 02:09:08,239
that the abduction experience is a very

3284
02:09:14,680 --> 02:09:12,070
vast wide spectrum and I like Rakowski

3285
02:09:16,600 --> 02:09:14,690
comments he calls it alien abduction

3286
02:09:18,790 --> 02:09:16,610
syndrome but this is something that is

3287
02:09:20,770 --> 02:09:18,800
in fact happening in the populace it is

3288
02:09:23,020 --> 02:09:20,780
something that's present and we need to

3289
02:09:24,760 --> 02:09:23,030
bring a very thoughtful perspective on

3290
02:09:27,400 --> 02:09:24,770
how to treat it and not dismiss it at

3291
02:09:30,220 --> 02:09:27,410
all in any way but it is a wide spectrum

3292
02:09:32,530 --> 02:09:30,230
of course we're still the question

3293
02:09:34,900 --> 02:09:32,540
whether any of these cases could

3294
02:09:37,360 --> 02:09:34,910
possibly have some sort of et

3295
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:37,370
involvement or not not that I would deny

3296
02:09:41,229 --> 02:09:39,770
that that's possibly happening there but

3297
02:09:43,900 --> 02:09:41,239
I think the more that we do look at

3298
02:09:45,670 --> 02:09:43,910
abductions I think if we do approach it

3299
02:09:46,990 --> 02:09:45,680
with care and concern we can start to

3300
02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:47,000
tease out that perhaps some of these

3301
02:09:51,490 --> 02:09:48,890
experiences are very deeply internal

3302
02:09:52,900 --> 02:09:51,500
experiences what their connection is to

3303
02:09:54,580 --> 02:09:52,910
other worlds

3304
02:09:56,320 --> 02:09:54,590
whether it's aliens or not I think

3305
02:09:57,400 --> 02:09:56,330
that's another question altogether and I

3306
02:09:59,350 --> 02:09:57,410
don't think we have any proof or

3307
02:10:00,280 --> 02:09:59,360
evidence I really about except in very

3308
02:10:02,380 --> 02:10:00,290
very few cases

3309
02:10:04,689 --> 02:10:02,390
well it's certainly true on the parent

3310
02:10:06,910 --> 02:10:04,699
cast that when we discuss so-called

3311
02:10:09,010 --> 02:10:06,920
alien abductions we don't take the

3312
02:10:11,830 --> 02:10:09,020
prevailing viewpoint and sometimes that

3313
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gets us on the bad side of some people

3314
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but that's how it goes that's what we

3315
02:10:18,750 --> 02:10:17,330
think there's a lot more to it than we

3316
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expect with Jean

3317
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see me sir well I did but now what I do

3368
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I'm not so sure sir Johnson I got a

3369
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mission for you that could change your

3370
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life good sir it involves traveling

3371
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halfway around the world but that so

3372
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much as half a clue of where you're

3373
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going or what you're gonna do when you

3374
02:12:54,190 --> 02:12:52,790
get there situation normal sorry I'll be

3375
02:12:55,660 --> 02:12:54,200
leading this mission Johnson so I'll be

3376
02:12:57,280 --> 02:12:55,670
telling you what to do you sir that's

3377
02:12:57,790 --> 02:12:57,290
right Johnson and I say first things

3378
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first

3379
02:13:04,270 --> 02:13:02,180
food always remember that Johnson food

3380
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is a big deal sir my brother Larkin gets

3381
02:13:07,810 --> 02:13:05,810
a really good deal on some surplus MREs

3382
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Johnson if you've got half a brain in

3383
02:13:11,950 --> 02:13:09,620
that empty head of yours you'll call the

3384
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freeze dry guy like I did that food is

3385
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better for you rehydrates faster any

3386
02:13:19,210 --> 02:13:16,790
it's good Johnson and it keeps for up to

3387
02:13:20,080 --> 02:13:19,220
30 years we'd be gone that long sir well

3388
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I hope not

3389
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now get your supplies organized and meet

3390
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visit freeze dry guy.com are you always

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5 minutes late maybe you're only late

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when you don't want to be somewhere then

3397
02:13:48,610 --> 02:13:45,620
you realize you're always 5 minutes late

3398
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for work you set three alarms drag your

3399
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feet in the shower drink your coffee

3400
02:13:55,000 --> 02:13:52,190
slowly until you're rushing out the door

3401
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five minutes late it's not that you hate

3402
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your job hate is such a strong word

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you're just not that excited about it

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but most people don't love what they do

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[Music]

3420
02:14:48,650 --> 02:14:46,500
hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer

3421
02:14:50,570 --> 02:14:48,660
of dark skies the co-author of AD after

3422
02:14:52,720 --> 02:14:50,580
disclosure and you are listening to the

3423
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para cast the gold standard of

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[Music]

3426
02:15:02,630 --> 02:15:00,300
we're sitting down and we're relaxing

3427
02:15:06,350 --> 02:15:02,640
with gene and Chris and burn State and

3428
02:15:08,720 --> 02:15:06,360
maybe Chris is having a few you burned

3429
02:15:10,280 --> 02:15:08,730
state well I don't know it depends on

3430
02:15:13,910 --> 02:15:10,290
what kind of scotch he's drinking there

3431
02:15:17,390 --> 02:15:13,920
I am NOT a scotch drinker oh you're

3432
02:15:18,590 --> 02:15:17,400
missing out I know I've got a $200

3433
02:15:22,700 --> 02:15:18,600
bottle of scotch in there that I just

3434
02:15:25,400 --> 02:15:22,710
hate to crack okay save it for me it's a

3435
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special edition in a black lacquer box

3436
02:15:29,930 --> 02:15:28,200
and the whole deal was given to me as a

3437
02:15:31,820 --> 02:15:29,940
gift from big tour group I did in

3438
02:15:34,310 --> 02:15:31,830
November I just don't have the heart to

3439
02:15:35,810 --> 02:15:34,320
open it so beautiful well you must share

3440
02:15:37,550 --> 02:15:35,820
it with people and just be sure you

3441
02:15:40,880 --> 02:15:37,560
don't waste it by mixing it with

3442
02:15:42,800 --> 02:15:40,890
anything the most God knows do you nice

3443
02:15:45,350 --> 02:15:42,810
not even eyes just one drop of water

3444
02:15:47,000 --> 02:15:45,360
totally changes the complexity of scotch

3445
02:15:49,310 --> 02:15:47,010
and watch it come alive in your mouth

3446
02:15:51,110 --> 02:15:49,320
that is something else okay it sounds

3447
02:15:54,560 --> 02:15:51,120
like I'm talking to a true affection

3448
02:15:57,710 --> 02:15:54,570
Otto okay let's get to another subject

3449
02:15:59,480 --> 02:15:57,720
that I know that you one of the things

3450
02:16:02,060 --> 02:15:59,490
that attracted you to the pair cast I

3451
02:16:04,550 --> 02:16:02,070
think is the whole concept of of the

3452
02:16:07,310 --> 02:16:04,560
trickster or some sort of mechanism of

3453
02:16:09,590 --> 02:16:07,320
absurdity that just permeates and in as

3454
02:16:12,200 --> 02:16:09,600
a thread that's a superhighway that runs

3455
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through all these phenomenal categories

3456
02:16:17,120 --> 02:16:15,030
of phenomenal events descriptions of

3457
02:16:20,240 --> 02:16:17,130
interactions with otherworldly beings

3458
02:16:23,780 --> 02:16:20,250
and otherworldly craft and and spirits

3459
02:16:26,210 --> 02:16:23,790
and ghosts and and ancestor spirits I

3460
02:16:28,520 --> 02:16:26,220
mean you go around the world it runs the

3461
02:16:30,800 --> 02:16:28,530
gamut and that's this whole idea of the

3462
02:16:33,890 --> 02:16:30,810
absurd the liminal is an e structural

3463
02:16:38,750 --> 02:16:33,900
trickster type energy what role do you

3464
02:16:41,360 --> 02:16:38,760
feel this kind of force or element or

3465
02:16:43,250 --> 02:16:41,370
mechanism plays in this whole scenario I

3466
02:16:44,810 --> 02:16:43,260
think we touched on it a little bit

3467
02:16:46,700 --> 02:16:44,820
briefly before but I do think it's one

3468
02:16:48,380 --> 02:16:46,710
of the oldest parts of who we are as a

3469
02:16:50,210 --> 02:16:48,390
society in a culture you know what it

3470
02:16:52,310 --> 02:16:50,220
goes back to that idea of creation end

3471
02:16:54,440 --> 02:16:52,320
and destruction that you can't have a

3472
02:16:57,081 --> 02:16:54,450
homogeneous society that continues to

3473
02:16:58,910 --> 02:16:57,091
exist and in one mode only there must be

3474
02:17:00,831 --> 02:16:58,920
the nightmare that comes in that

3475
02:17:02,960 --> 02:17:00,841
disrupts that something has to come in

3476
02:17:04,700 --> 02:17:02,970
and change it and cause them to reinvent

3477
02:17:07,820 --> 02:17:04,710
themselves because it's unhealthy to

3478
02:17:09,081 --> 02:17:07,830
stay as a homogeneous society and I

3479
02:17:10,610 --> 02:17:09,091
think we can see that perhaps maybe

3480
02:17:12,560 --> 02:17:10,620
historically or archaeologically

3481
02:17:14,480 --> 02:17:12,570
when suddenly you know civilizations

3482
02:17:17,150 --> 02:17:14,490
just seem to disappear poof or change

3483
02:17:18,919 --> 02:17:17,160
gears all all together I do think that

3484
02:17:20,270 --> 02:17:18,929
what we're talking about now in terms of

3485
02:17:22,100 --> 02:17:20,280
the phenomenon we're talking about maybe

3486
02:17:25,520 --> 02:17:22,110
the tertiary part or the sociological

3487
02:17:27,440 --> 02:17:25,530
aspects of the phenomenon where I wonder

3488
02:17:29,240 --> 02:17:27,450
how much of this is about us

3489
02:17:31,010 --> 02:17:29,250
and it's about our own narratives that

3490
02:17:33,740 --> 02:17:31,020
were passing down and that perhaps

3491
02:17:35,720 --> 02:17:33,750
because of those those memory pieces

3492
02:17:37,160 --> 02:17:35,730
those images that are already in our

3493
02:17:39,410 --> 02:17:37,170
minds that have been passed down as as

3494
02:17:42,770 --> 02:17:39,420
narratives that that that is in fact

3495
02:17:44,900 --> 02:17:42,780
going to be the shape that we see right

3496
02:17:46,640 --> 02:17:44,910
so the event conforms to our

3497
02:17:49,550 --> 02:17:46,650
expectations as you spoke about with

3498
02:17:51,650 --> 02:17:49,560
Bishop previously and and and I do feel

3499
02:17:53,000 --> 02:17:51,660
that somehow what maybe we're in on the

3500
02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:53,010
joke and we don't even know it

3501
02:17:56,720 --> 02:17:53,850
you know there's some of those

3502
02:17:58,160 --> 02:17:56,730
self-deprecating aspects to some of

3503
02:18:00,200 --> 02:17:58,170
these experiences that's a really good

3504
02:18:01,550 --> 02:18:00,210
way of putting it and maybe we're

3505
02:18:02,840 --> 02:18:01,560
missing that and you see it and dreams

3506
02:18:04,550 --> 02:18:02,850
all that's fine you know when you take a

3507
02:18:05,930 --> 02:18:04,560
look at spend time thinking about your

3508
02:18:08,060 --> 02:18:05,940
dreams you can see there's your brain

3509
02:18:09,980 --> 02:18:08,070
playing stuff back to you it's trying to

3510
02:18:11,419 --> 02:18:09,990
help you out with something and and you

3511
02:18:12,770 --> 02:18:11,429
know from my perspective dreams are

3512
02:18:14,870 --> 02:18:12,780
about learning and that's what's taking

3513
02:18:16,790 --> 02:18:14,880
place is that that the dream imagery is

3514
02:18:18,350 --> 02:18:16,800
they're trying to reflect on the things

3515
02:18:20,120 --> 02:18:18,360
that happen during the dream and try to

3516
02:18:21,680 --> 02:18:20,130
help us along with learning or solving a

3517
02:18:23,690 --> 02:18:21,690
problem because that's what we are we're

3518
02:18:25,129 --> 02:18:23,700
learning and growing creatures and so I

3519
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:25,139
do see you know some of the stuff that

3520
02:18:30,860 --> 02:18:27,090
Hanson talks about that you talk about

3521
02:18:32,480 --> 02:18:30,870
these really wild events that have some

3522
02:18:33,980 --> 02:18:32,490
cases of real adamant elements of

3523
02:18:36,590 --> 02:18:33,990
schadenfreude to them you know we're

3524
02:18:39,169 --> 02:18:36,600
kind of laughing at our misery even you

3525
02:18:40,430 --> 02:18:39,179
know that the the the the stimulus or

3526
02:18:42,350 --> 02:18:40,440
whatever it is seems to be almost

3527
02:18:44,180 --> 02:18:42,360
mocking us or taking us down or

3528
02:18:46,400 --> 02:18:44,190
degrading us but maybe it's about

3529
02:18:48,860 --> 02:18:46,410
shifting gears because we're stuck and

3530
02:18:51,169 --> 02:18:48,870
we're in a very stale mode of operation

3531
02:18:52,820 --> 02:18:51,179
and so we need to have those and when

3532
02:18:55,820 --> 02:18:52,830
you look at the paths that go along with

3533
02:18:57,650 --> 02:18:55,830
the trickster elementary that quite

3534
02:18:59,290 --> 02:18:57,660
often this is about that individual

3535
02:19:01,820 --> 02:18:59,300
who's on the margins of society

3536
02:19:04,040 --> 02:19:01,830
experiencing something incredible in the

3537
02:19:06,200 --> 02:19:04,050
middle of the night it's dark and they

3538
02:19:07,879 --> 02:19:06,210
see their spirit guide or they see an

3539
02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:07,889
extremely tall monstrous undulating

3540
02:19:12,650 --> 02:19:11,010
green skinned alien there but it shakes

3541
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:12,660
them up and shifts them and they come

3542
02:19:17,209 --> 02:19:14,639
back now to the group to tell their

3543
02:19:18,740 --> 02:19:17,219
story of what happened and I do believe

3544
02:19:20,810 --> 02:19:18,750
that is the role of the trickster that

3545
02:19:21,919 --> 02:19:20,820
those those eternal images that are that

3546
02:19:24,400 --> 02:19:21,929
are young and when you read Jung's

3547
02:19:27,340 --> 02:19:24,410
treatise on on the trickster you see

3548
02:19:30,340 --> 02:19:27,350
to old this experience is it seems like

3549
02:19:32,140 --> 02:19:30,350
these are patterns of our mind yeah well

3550
02:19:34,900 --> 02:19:32,150
you know and in another of course that

3551
02:19:36,820 --> 02:19:34,910
that brings up the whole issue now we

3552
02:19:39,310 --> 02:19:36,830
talked about tricksters every so often

3553
02:19:41,380 --> 02:19:39,320
on the show about weird things happening

3554
02:19:44,290 --> 02:19:41,390
the shows and let me tell you right now

3555
02:19:46,680 --> 02:19:44,300
that we're in the next to last segment

3556
02:19:49,570 --> 02:19:46,690
of this episode of the power cast and

3557
02:19:52,150 --> 02:19:49,580
something weird has happened that we

3558
02:19:53,950 --> 02:19:52,160
just discovered so for those entire

3559
02:19:56,530 --> 02:19:53,960
portions of the show

3560
02:19:59,200 --> 02:19:56,540
it may sound normal to you but at the

3561
02:20:01,030 --> 02:19:59,210
time of the recording all of my voice

3562
02:20:04,390 --> 02:20:01,040
parts except for the very beginning

3563
02:20:07,660 --> 02:20:04,400
upped and vanished they weren't there

3564
02:20:13,560 --> 02:20:07,670
because my audio did not get recorded on

3565
02:20:16,750 --> 02:20:13,570
the first take of this show oh my god oh

3566
02:20:18,220 --> 02:20:16,760
man that's the first time in the in the

3567
02:20:20,320 --> 02:20:18,230
history of the show that that's ever

3568
02:20:21,400 --> 02:20:20,330
happened technology let you down

3569
02:20:23,230 --> 02:20:21,410
well you know what's very interesting

3570
02:20:25,450 --> 02:20:23,240
here that we had this happen one time

3571
02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:25,460
before we actually lost a host segment

3572
02:20:31,150 --> 02:20:28,090
we had Jacques fillet on the show in the

3573
02:20:33,280 --> 02:20:31,160
days of our previous co-hosts you never

3574
02:20:34,810 --> 02:20:33,290
heard the show because we lost the first

3575
02:20:37,240 --> 02:20:34,820
half and he never came back and do it

3576
02:20:40,780 --> 02:20:37,250
again until several years later that he

3577
02:20:43,030 --> 02:20:40,790
did one hour on the power cast Wow I

3578
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:43,040
mean I know what's wrong I know why it

3579
02:20:49,360 --> 02:20:46,010
happened but I wish I noticed this when

3580
02:20:53,770 --> 02:20:49,370
we were doing the recording oh that

3581
02:20:55,690 --> 02:20:53,780
makes my arches tingle okay we have a

3582
02:20:58,091 --> 02:20:55,700
case of the tingle arches I'm gonna be

3583
02:20:59,560 --> 02:20:58,101
up all night and you know we'll have to

3584
02:21:01,480 --> 02:20:59,570
have things work out a little

3585
02:21:03,100 --> 02:21:01,490
differently but it's gonna take me

3586
02:21:04,930 --> 02:21:03,110
probably another hour or two to edit

3587
02:21:06,341 --> 02:21:04,940
this show then well ladies and gentlemen

3588
02:21:08,051 --> 02:21:06,351
if you're wondering what we're talking

3589
02:21:09,390 --> 02:21:08,061
about I'd rather not get into it let's

3590
02:21:11,740 --> 02:21:09,400
just continue our discussion about

3591
02:21:16,270 --> 02:21:11,750
tricksters and everything but don't you

3592
02:21:18,820 --> 02:21:16,280
see burnt State that in terms of UFOs

3593
02:21:21,850 --> 02:21:18,830
and things like that the presence of the

3594
02:21:26,040 --> 02:21:21,860
trickster seems to be causing so much

3595
02:21:28,600 --> 02:21:26,050
issues it really is and it is a wicked

3596
02:21:30,761 --> 02:21:28,610
creature in some ways I don't think it

3597
02:21:32,470 --> 02:21:30,771
is always just laughter and when we

3598
02:21:33,970 --> 02:21:32,480
think about these experiences that we've

3599
02:21:35,680 --> 02:21:33,980
been talking about I think often these

3600
02:21:37,210 --> 02:21:35,690
experiences are they are fearful

3601
02:21:38,290 --> 02:21:37,220
experiences they're nightmarish

3602
02:21:40,480 --> 02:21:38,300
experiences there

3603
02:21:43,059 --> 02:21:40,490
variances that take us to the boundaries

3604
02:21:44,559 --> 02:21:43,069
of society into the margins and I do

3605
02:21:46,870 --> 02:21:44,569
believe that things we're talking about

3606
02:21:49,570 --> 02:21:46,880
are these exist in these borderline

3607
02:21:51,070 --> 02:21:49,580
spaces are I described it on the form I

3608
02:21:53,020 --> 02:21:51,080
think of things that are just around the

3609
02:21:54,849 --> 02:21:53,030
corner from you and sometimes just

3610
02:21:56,980 --> 02:21:54,859
around the corners not too friendly at

3611
02:21:58,300 --> 02:21:56,990
all sometimes it's a clown and a big

3612
02:22:00,309 --> 02:21:58,310
suit and it gives you a big laugh and

3613
02:22:03,130 --> 02:22:00,319
sometimes that clown is pretty scary and

3614
02:22:05,260 --> 02:22:03,140
completely petrifies you but in both

3615
02:22:06,969 --> 02:22:05,270
cases I think what it does produce is a

3616
02:22:09,070 --> 02:22:06,979
pretty big surge of chemistry through

3617
02:22:10,990 --> 02:22:09,080
her body and emotion and it's something

3618
02:22:13,510 --> 02:22:11,000
that allows us to turn you know to pivot

3619
02:22:15,550 --> 02:22:13,520
and perhaps to make some different ideas

3620
02:22:17,860 --> 02:22:15,560
in different ways of doing things as a

3621
02:22:20,110 --> 02:22:17,870
result I think it's a teacher is what it

3622
02:22:23,410 --> 02:22:20,120
is more than anything well in my point

3623
02:22:27,040 --> 02:22:23,420
is if for my follow up on this and is

3624
02:22:32,469 --> 02:22:27,050
that it's also if understood could be

3625
02:22:36,580 --> 02:22:32,479
used as a very effective tool by you

3626
02:22:42,070 --> 02:22:36,590
know the control structure using that

3627
02:22:45,429 --> 02:22:42,080
particular modus operandi to to befuddle

3628
02:22:47,670 --> 02:22:45,439
people to dis inform people to miss

3629
02:22:51,969 --> 02:22:47,680
inform people to manipulate situations

3630
02:22:54,370 --> 02:22:51,979
individuals and ends subjects for

3631
02:22:57,370 --> 02:22:54,380
whatever purpose most often control and

3632
02:23:00,400 --> 02:22:57,380
most often nuts very self-serving the

3633
02:23:04,120 --> 02:23:00,410
agenda but you know if we have psyops

3634
02:23:06,250 --> 02:23:04,130
people that are able to program in

3635
02:23:08,969 --> 02:23:06,260
particular key tricks Trish events

3636
02:23:11,679 --> 02:23:08,979
within groups within individuals within

3637
02:23:14,790 --> 02:23:11,689
the culture you can have tremendous

3638
02:23:18,639 --> 02:23:14,800
power there and it seems to me that that

3639
02:23:20,650 --> 02:23:18,649
it wouldn't be surprised at all if there

3640
02:23:23,800 --> 02:23:20,660
were certain elements of the black world

3641
02:23:28,030 --> 02:23:23,810
that had really factored a lot of this

3642
02:23:30,639 --> 02:23:28,040
and into the equation and is has somehow

3643
02:23:32,860 --> 02:23:30,649
come up with a way to manipulate people

3644
02:23:37,210 --> 02:23:32,870
places and things and events to to

3645
02:23:42,630 --> 02:23:37,220
elicit particular pre you know sussed

3646
02:23:45,580 --> 02:23:42,640
out kind of eventualities and effects by

3647
02:23:48,580 --> 02:23:45,590
in eliciting some sort of program or

3648
02:23:51,160 --> 02:23:48,590
technique that is trickeration nature to

3649
02:23:52,179 --> 02:23:51,170
to like i said this and misinformed

3650
02:23:55,689 --> 02:23:52,189
people and manipulate

3651
02:23:57,370 --> 02:23:55,699
people places and events III think that

3652
02:23:58,420 --> 02:23:57,380
there's there's good truth inside of

3653
02:24:00,910 --> 02:23:58,430
that and there's some slight

3654
02:24:02,380 --> 02:24:00,920
conspiracist angles to it as well I've

3655
02:24:03,910 --> 02:24:02,390
always believed that we've lived in an

3656
02:24:05,469 --> 02:24:03,920
age of kings and queens it's just that

3657
02:24:06,580 --> 02:24:05,479
kings and queens now are billionaires

3658
02:24:08,620 --> 02:24:06,590
and we don't even know where they live

3659
02:24:10,090 --> 02:24:08,630
and can't see them well this is

3660
02:24:14,019 --> 02:24:10,100
certainly so far a bit a very unusual

3661
02:24:16,120 --> 02:24:14,029
episode of the show but we have more to

3662
02:24:18,429 --> 02:24:16,130
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3663
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02:24:26,859 --> 02:24:20,749
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3773
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3774
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arcane things occurred in any case let

3775
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us continue people you were starting an

3776
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answer burn State and we had to a brief

3777
02:29:15,929 --> 02:29:14,319
break can you pick up on it sure I was

3778
02:29:17,340 --> 02:29:15,939
just thinking that it that in older

3779
02:29:19,170 --> 02:29:17,350
times you know where it was very hard

3780
02:29:20,820 --> 02:29:19,180
for us to get in contact with Caesar and

3781
02:29:22,740 --> 02:29:20,830
there's a pretty interesting story where

3782
02:29:24,059 --> 02:29:22,750
the guy who's got a fish wants to bring

3783
02:29:25,800 --> 02:29:24,069
it to Caesar and somehow managed to

3784
02:29:27,510 --> 02:29:25,810
sneak past the guards get inside the

3785
02:29:29,910 --> 02:29:27,520
kingdom and presents the guy with the

3786
02:29:31,380 --> 02:29:29,920
fish freaks Caesar right out of course

3787
02:29:33,360 --> 02:29:31,390
and has the man put to death immediately

3788
02:29:34,679 --> 02:29:33,370
but I think that that concept of those

3789
02:29:36,450 --> 02:29:34,689
kings and queens who manipulate our

3790
02:29:38,400 --> 02:29:36,460
lives and control us I mean we live like

3791
02:29:40,260 --> 02:29:38,410
that today take a look at the the world

3792
02:29:42,059 --> 02:29:40,270
of high luxury and high billionaire

3793
02:29:44,490 --> 02:29:42,069
living there living in a completely

3794
02:29:46,530 --> 02:29:44,500
different world than us common folk are

3795
02:29:48,900 --> 02:29:46,540
and we're really slaving away and in

3796
02:29:50,940 --> 02:29:48,910
some ways to feed a another monster

3797
02:29:52,980 --> 02:29:50,950
altogether that's beyond us and I think

3798
02:29:55,170 --> 02:29:52,990
that's a real human manipulation that's

3799
02:29:56,790 --> 02:29:55,180
definitely in front of us when we take a

3800
02:29:58,260 --> 02:29:56,800
look at Chris's discussion where he's

3801
02:29:59,969 --> 02:29:58,270
making a suggestion there's something

3802
02:30:02,460 --> 02:29:59,979
else that's there that perhaps also

3803
02:30:04,650 --> 02:30:02,470
could be you know manipulating us I do

3804
02:30:06,690 --> 02:30:04,660
subscribe to the possibility that there

3805
02:30:08,490 --> 02:30:06,700
is a distraction game that's taking

3806
02:30:10,260 --> 02:30:08,500
place that the way of where there's a

3807
02:30:11,760 --> 02:30:10,270
lot of distraction that's going on and

3808
02:30:14,429 --> 02:30:11,770
when you take a look on the surface of

3809
02:30:15,929 --> 02:30:14,439
let's say the UFO phenomenon for example

3810
02:30:18,059 --> 02:30:15,939
when you look at the surface of it it

3811
02:30:20,219 --> 02:30:18,069
appears that we are being led down the

3812
02:30:23,010 --> 02:30:20,229
road to talk about a very Roswell Ian

3813
02:30:25,110 --> 02:30:23,020
kind of mythos that aliens from another

3814
02:30:27,090 --> 02:30:25,120
planet come down make contact with us

3815
02:30:28,220 --> 02:30:27,100
manipulate us and and take off again and

3816
02:30:29,631 --> 02:30:28,230
they they treat us like we're

3817
02:30:31,580 --> 02:30:29,641
animals in the woods that need to be

3818
02:30:33,560 --> 02:30:31,590
bagged and tagged and perhaps that's a

3819
02:30:35,750 --> 02:30:33,570
complete myth and a total lie and a

3820
02:30:37,551 --> 02:30:35,760
complete deception and that there is in

3821
02:30:39,410 --> 02:30:37,561
fact other purposes that are there and

3822
02:30:40,970 --> 02:30:39,420
I'm very fascinated by some of those

3823
02:30:43,131 --> 02:30:40,980
communications that let's say come

3824
02:30:45,200 --> 02:30:43,141
through the contact he experience or you

3825
02:30:46,671 --> 02:30:45,210
can sign fred is experienced that what's

3826
02:30:49,220 --> 02:30:46,681
happening to us we don't fully

3827
02:30:50,841 --> 02:30:49,230
understand and maybe as a species I

3828
02:30:52,761 --> 02:30:50,851
don't know if we'll get the capacity to

3829
02:30:54,560 --> 02:30:52,771
but there does seem to be another

3830
02:30:57,140 --> 02:30:54,570
impulse inside of this discussion that

3831
02:30:59,060 --> 02:30:57,150
is leading us towards creative impulses

3832
02:31:01,160 --> 02:30:59,070
to try to understand what's taking place

3833
02:31:02,841 --> 02:31:01,170
and perhaps to try to make us into

3834
02:31:04,640 --> 02:31:02,851
something different as a species in

3835
02:31:07,040 --> 02:31:04,650
terms of what we pursue and what we

3836
02:31:09,410 --> 02:31:07,050
glorify and what we decide to pay homage

3837
02:31:11,810 --> 02:31:09,420
to because the things we pay homage to a

3838
02:31:13,490 --> 02:31:11,820
pretty thin right now and things can be

3839
02:31:15,620 --> 02:31:13,500
pre sad when archeologists look back at

3840
02:31:17,480 --> 02:31:15,630
the 21st century and see the billboards

3841
02:31:19,100 --> 02:31:17,490
you know that we worshipped so I do

3842
02:31:21,770 --> 02:31:19,110
think that phenomenon does have this

3843
02:31:23,930 --> 02:31:21,780
other role that maybe not just distracts

3844
02:31:25,580 --> 02:31:23,940
us but is offering us an opportunity

3845
02:31:27,500 --> 02:31:25,590
like you said it's a dualist piece it's

3846
02:31:29,330 --> 02:31:27,510
got two sides of the Bitcoin that is

3847
02:31:31,190 --> 02:31:29,340
offering us an opportunity to recreate

3848
02:31:33,591 --> 02:31:31,200
ourselves into something different if

3849
02:31:35,390 --> 02:31:33,601
only we can find the way to get there or

3850
02:31:37,250 --> 02:31:35,400
to see what's actually taking place I

3851
02:31:39,500 --> 02:31:37,260
kind of wonder as we look at everything

3852
02:31:41,631 --> 02:31:39,510
here to what degree we're being led

3853
02:31:44,270 --> 02:31:41,641
across this reality number one but

3854
02:31:46,820 --> 02:31:44,280
number two a thousand or 2,000 years

3855
02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:46,830
from now what is going to be left of

3856
02:31:51,650 --> 02:31:50,010
this society of anything most homes are

3857
02:31:52,820 --> 02:31:51,660
history in about 30 years they don't

3858
02:31:54,591 --> 02:31:52,830
survive that's right

3859
02:31:56,120 --> 02:31:54,601
yeah we're not a permanent structure

3860
02:31:57,350 --> 02:31:56,130
thus for sure and you take a look in

3861
02:31:58,970 --> 02:31:57,360
different parts of the world

3862
02:32:00,140 --> 02:31:58,980
let's say Central Europe when you build

3863
02:32:01,700 --> 02:32:00,150
a home there you've got to build a home

3864
02:32:03,740 --> 02:32:01,710
that's gonna last at least 100 200 years

3865
02:32:05,540 --> 02:32:03,750
alright there's this more sophisticated

3866
02:32:07,190 --> 02:32:05,550
civilization there beezly been playing

3867
02:32:10,011 --> 02:32:07,200
the Civilization game for a lot longer

3868
02:32:12,261 --> 02:32:10,021
than us here in North America where we

3869
02:32:14,930 --> 02:32:12,271
are all about throwaway culture Norway

3870
02:32:16,910 --> 02:32:14,940
Society and those are the real sad parts

3871
02:32:18,890 --> 02:32:16,920
of us I think we're losing parts of our

3872
02:32:20,990 --> 02:32:18,900
humanity Deeley because we don't

3873
02:32:24,440 --> 02:32:21,000
activate ourselves and in a real

3874
02:32:25,250 --> 02:32:24,450
visceral human flesh and blood kind of

3875
02:32:26,631 --> 02:32:25,260
manner at all

3876
02:32:28,490 --> 02:32:26,641
you know archaeologists we're gonna look

3877
02:32:33,080 --> 02:32:28,500
back at some of our billboards and books

3878
02:32:35,780 --> 02:32:33,090
and possibly surviving DVDs and notice a

3879
02:32:38,330 --> 02:32:35,790
fixation with big twerking booties yeah

3880
02:32:39,530 --> 02:32:38,340
yeah yeah so we come down to Hooters at

3881
02:32:41,930 --> 02:32:39,540
the end of the day you know it's a

3882
02:32:43,551 --> 02:32:41,940
pretty sad but we've also been about

3883
02:32:45,410 --> 02:32:43,561
- heavily not we've always suckled at

3884
02:32:47,180 --> 02:32:45,420
the breast and I've enjoyed that is an

3885
02:32:48,830 --> 02:32:47,190
image as part of our base instincts and

3886
02:32:50,180 --> 02:32:48,840
again not to bring it back to that

3887
02:32:51,920 --> 02:32:50,190
abduction piece but you take a look at

3888
02:32:53,750 --> 02:32:51,930
what are the experiences that are taking

3889
02:32:55,580 --> 02:32:53,760
place there well sometimes there are

3890
02:32:57,020 --> 02:32:55,590
sexual experiences and other times

3891
02:32:58,580 --> 02:32:57,030
they're experiences that are about

3892
02:33:00,320 --> 02:32:58,590
consumption and then there's other

3893
02:33:02,120 --> 02:33:00,330
experiences that are about you you're

3894
02:33:04,370 --> 02:33:02,130
the messenger you need to go and tell

3895
02:33:06,261 --> 02:33:04,380
the people about these things now these

3896
02:33:08,720 --> 02:33:06,271
are all basic primal urges are they not

3897
02:33:11,150 --> 02:33:08,730
its food is pleasure a very good point

3898
02:33:13,520 --> 02:33:11,160
let me just go back to the remnants of

3899
02:33:14,600 --> 02:33:13,530
civilization for a lot more thing we're

3900
02:33:17,180 --> 02:33:14,610
putting everything in the cloud

3901
02:33:19,190 --> 02:33:17,190
everything is in this amorphous cloud

3902
02:33:21,710 --> 02:33:19,200
which is basically a bunch of data

3903
02:33:23,390 --> 02:33:21,720
centers with lots of computers and if

3904
02:33:26,060 --> 02:33:23,400
you want to talk about survival of

3905
02:33:28,520 --> 02:33:26,070
anything imagine the potential for

3906
02:33:30,770 --> 02:33:28,530
survival of the cloud and the answer is

3907
02:33:33,470 --> 02:33:30,780
there is none as long as those computers

3908
02:33:36,320 --> 02:33:33,480
exist as long as backups exist as long

3909
02:33:38,511 --> 02:33:36,330
as there are archives all the stuff

3910
02:33:41,511 --> 02:33:38,521
we've done online will exist there our

3911
02:33:45,470 --> 02:33:41,521
entire lives are dependent in many cases

3912
02:33:48,530 --> 02:33:45,480
being online Facebook iCloud all this

3913
02:33:51,400 --> 02:33:48,540
stuff what happens when those computers

3914
02:33:54,410 --> 02:33:51,410
disappear do we get a big EMP pulse

3915
02:33:56,480 --> 02:33:54,420
there's a great sci-fi a story where

3916
02:33:58,160 --> 02:33:56,490
everybody of course is wired to the web

3917
02:33:59,570 --> 02:33:58,170
and and they do everything through the

3918
02:34:01,370 --> 02:33:59,580
web so they've never had reasons for

3919
02:34:03,170 --> 02:34:01,380
schools or education and then the pulse

3920
02:34:05,900 --> 02:34:03,180
happens of course and and people have to

3921
02:34:07,730 --> 02:34:05,910
be taught again how to read and the only

3922
02:34:09,080 --> 02:34:07,740
people that can teach them to do

3923
02:34:10,460 --> 02:34:09,090
anything we're all those people who

3924
02:34:12,410 --> 02:34:10,470
genetically they didn't have the

3925
02:34:14,450 --> 02:34:12,420
capacity to have the web you know hooked

3926
02:34:16,490 --> 02:34:14,460
and wired into their brain and I think

3927
02:34:18,381 --> 02:34:16,500
there's a good moral to that story

3928
02:34:20,450 --> 02:34:18,391
because like Prometheus who goes a

3929
02:34:22,580 --> 02:34:20,460
little too far to grab the fire I think

3930
02:34:24,680 --> 02:34:22,590
this technology is going to do us in one

3931
02:34:26,450 --> 02:34:24,690
day if it's not already deeply in the

3932
02:34:28,070 --> 02:34:26,460
process of it and there's another you

3933
02:34:30,080 --> 02:34:28,080
know interesting theory around what our

3934
02:34:31,940 --> 02:34:30,090
alien abductions when you take a look at

3935
02:34:33,320 --> 02:34:31,950
it it's very technological experience

3936
02:34:35,240 --> 02:34:33,330
and people are being poked and prodded

3937
02:34:37,551 --> 02:34:35,250
and there's lights and all sorts of

3938
02:34:40,040 --> 02:34:37,561
interesting things and a crazy analysis

3939
02:34:42,200 --> 02:34:40,050
and what have you the one theorist you

3940
02:34:43,881 --> 02:34:42,210
know this is a response to life in the

3941
02:34:45,770 --> 02:34:43,891
technological age and we've created our

3942
02:34:47,360 --> 02:34:45,780
own monster that's coming to get us and

3943
02:34:49,160 --> 02:34:47,370
we're manifesting that in our own

3944
02:34:51,470 --> 02:34:49,170
collective unconscious and whether it's

3945
02:34:54,470 --> 02:34:51,480
dream experiences or real or what we

3946
02:34:55,849 --> 02:34:54,480
appear to be real to us there but maybe

3947
02:34:57,500 --> 02:34:55,859
it is a response to the techno

3948
02:34:58,849 --> 02:34:57,510
monster and I think that's one thing we

3949
02:35:00,050 --> 02:34:58,859
might need to consider getting rid of

3950
02:35:02,210 --> 02:35:00,060
because I don't know how much it helps

3951
02:35:05,989 --> 02:35:02,220
us actually it'd sure be terrible if we

3952
02:35:08,359 --> 02:35:05,999
lost all that data the whole world would

3953
02:35:11,830 --> 02:35:08,369
collapse we're so reliant on it now it's

3954
02:35:15,819 --> 02:35:11,840
amazing how much in 20 years this

3955
02:35:18,739 --> 02:35:15,829
Western world has become completely just

3956
02:35:21,949 --> 02:35:18,749
subservient almost and so reliant on

3957
02:35:23,599 --> 02:35:21,959
technology you know we're the only

3958
02:35:25,489 --> 02:35:23,609
people that really have a chance if all

3959
02:35:27,590 --> 02:35:25,499
this crashes down like a house of cards

3960
02:35:29,479 --> 02:35:27,600
or you know people that live in the

3961
02:35:32,750 --> 02:35:29,489
country they grow their own food raise

3962
02:35:35,960 --> 02:35:32,760
their own animals know how to you know

3963
02:35:38,899 --> 02:35:35,970
just do basic survive we have basic

3964
02:35:40,969 --> 02:35:38,909
survival skills you know off the grid

3965
02:35:43,309 --> 02:35:40,979
and boy I'll tell you it's it's gonna be

3966
02:35:44,750 --> 02:35:43,319
hell to pay in urban centers well tell

3967
02:35:46,729 --> 02:35:44,760
me what would you rather do would you

3968
02:35:49,699 --> 02:35:46,739
rather be you know watching some kind of

3969
02:35:52,010 --> 02:35:49,709
pathetic digital porn you know image on

3970
02:35:54,199 --> 02:35:52,020
the screen or would you rather be

3971
02:35:56,300 --> 02:35:54,209
cuddling with your loved one by a rock

3972
02:35:58,969 --> 02:35:56,310
and a fire in the middle of the woods

3973
02:36:00,830 --> 02:35:58,979
and I think that basic primal natural

3974
02:36:03,229 --> 02:36:00,840
experience is something we actually need

3975
02:36:05,630 --> 02:36:03,239
to return to there's real and vital

3976
02:36:07,460 --> 02:36:05,640
that's there compared to the lie that

3977
02:36:10,639 --> 02:36:07,470
many of us live through that online

3978
02:36:14,080 --> 02:36:10,649
experience yeah that's true we're in

3979
02:36:17,569 --> 02:36:14,090
that you know I think it's insidious

3980
02:36:19,519 --> 02:36:17,579
because it's it's incremental I don't

3981
02:36:23,029 --> 02:36:19,529
think it's a force for the tree scenario

3982
02:36:26,149 --> 02:36:23,039
I don't think people realize how you

3983
02:36:29,090 --> 02:36:26,159
know totally you know I guess would be

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it's like a form of addiction really I

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really try to do I try to you know be

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level-headed about my web usage but but

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but I find myself really relying heavily

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on the internet on you know this smart

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phone that I just battled for years not

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to not to get a cellphone then I said

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I'd never tax and I said I'd never get a

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02:36:51,830 --> 02:36:49,619
smart and it's just it's my reality is

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02:36:54,229 --> 02:36:51,840
slowly being heating up in my time has

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02:36:57,080 --> 02:36:54,239
been eaten up by by utilizing technology

3995
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sure it makes things easier to research

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and you can find things that the you

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know drop of a hat

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02:37:04,939 --> 02:37:02,669
but what would happen if all that fell

3999
02:37:06,859 --> 02:37:04,949
through what would it do to the psyche

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of young kids that have grown up with

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only this technology in their lives

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you know what that's the kind of way we

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02:37:16,310 --> 02:37:14,010
can leave it open for everyone to ponder

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02:37:17,780 --> 02:37:16,320
burnt stay do you have a website or

4005
02:37:19,580 --> 02:37:17,790
something were we gonna find more of

4006
02:37:21,650 --> 02:37:19,590
what you do or is it the power cast

4007
02:37:24,020 --> 02:37:21,660
forms yeah you'll see me lurking on the

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pear cast forums and I'm supposed to be

4009
02:37:27,620 --> 02:37:25,440
being very productive doing other work

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so I might take a hiatus in the near

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02:37:30,770 --> 02:37:29,400
future but I'll definitely be there to

4012
02:37:32,180 --> 02:37:30,780
follow up on this show because I was so

4013
02:37:33,470 --> 02:37:32,190
great participating in it thank you both

4014
02:37:35,660 --> 02:37:33,480
for allowing me this wonderful

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02:37:37,730 --> 02:37:35,670
opportunity you can find us lurking

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sometimes on Twitter where we're known

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as the power cast on Facebook there are

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two farah cast fan clubs the problem

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being if we try to merge them into one

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you have to kill the other it's one of

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the facebook quirks being lost in the

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the physical print copies he hasn't

4042
02:38:41,750 --> 02:38:39,180
figured out how to do that with ebooks

4043
02:38:44,420 --> 02:38:41,760
yet but we'll find miracles for you with

4044
02:38:46,280 --> 02:38:44,430
miracles never cease burn State thanks

4045
02:38:54,921 --> 02:38:46,290
for joining us in the fairy cast thank

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